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[–] Ledivin 302 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Sony really managed to erase one of their best-selling games in less than 3 days, for literally no potential gain at all. All risk, no reward: what a fuckin' business strategy

[–] MotoAsh 121 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Suits only think in green, and assume "consumers" do only that: consume.

I've been waiting 20 years for people to realize it, and that's only because I'm young compared to others who have realized what capitalism is: Institutionalized greed.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

At best, they made it a minor inconvenience to make a second account to play the game on PC.

At worst, they are planning to charge for access to PSN titles (IE PS+), even if they aren't being played on a PlayStation, in the future.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At worst, they are planning to charge for access to PSN titles (IE PS+), even if they aren't being played on a PlayStation, in the future.

I highly doubt that has ever been seriously considered by Sony. Even they know that PC games HATE paying for online and won't ever do it on PC

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Everyone knows what PC gamers hate at this point; publishers still screw us all the time for monetary gain and subscriptions are the new hot thing to screw people over to make money right now. I wouldn't discount it as a possibility.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Especially if we allow “changing the deal” to become an acceptable business practice

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sony thinks they’ll sell consoles when they make Helldivers 3 a PlayStation 6 exclusive. “Hey, you’ve already made the PSN account; why not?”

Capitalism is the 1980s drug pusher your DARE officer warned you about

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[–] TheBat 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 27 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I mean, Palworld suffered from the exact opposite problem, where the game received basically no post-launch content. So once players burned through the main game, there was very little reason to keep playing.

This just goes to show that support needs to both exist and be something players agree with.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 7 months ago

I’m glad people are pushing back against this. All the unnecessary account creating has gotten out of hand.

[–] Hubi 162 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Steam being a class act as usual.

[–] Rakonat 27 points 7 months ago

Me remembering all those origin fan boys going on and on how steam customer service sucks without taking that sliver of a second to ask why they constantly had to use EAs customer services all the time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I fear that there will never be another company like Steam

  • Doesn't make unnecessary changes to their UI
  • Private, without public shareholders
  • Has virtually no PR; community does it for them
  • Takes the side of the people over publishers
  • Has a sound refund policy

I'm afraid when Gabe dies, the culture of "does nothing but still wins" will die along with him.

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[–] JoeKrogan 144 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

It is worth it to refund it to send the message. We have seen what happens with ubisoft when they just stop supporting a game. What is stopping Sony from discontinuing matchmaking down the line after forcing a psn account, thats in addition to the regional restrictions and the fact they leak like a sieve.

Helldivers 3 could come out and they decide to just stop access to 2.

Money is the only thing these execs care about. Its worth tanking a game so they get the message.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

Honestly it was 8 years between 1 and 2 so I'm not really expecting much in the way of sequels, but who knows.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I complained to the boards abouts The Crew getting pulled the plug.
Ubisoft removed my access to the game.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't trust Sony since they shut down gravity rush 2

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't trust them since the rootkit they installed, without my consent, on my computer when playing a music CD decades ago!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Damn I didn't know about that one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It goes really deep, worth the read.

They offered a tool to remove the rootkit that just silently installed another one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Now that's just filthy

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 7 months ago (3 children)

This is big, I think I'll try to refund my copy now too. I was just thinking it would be a wash, and that I'd kinda gotten my 50 hours of fun, and just wouldn't play anymore.

[–] 8ender 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Considering the same. They’ve managed to “balance” all the weapons so none of them are fun anymore. They’re all kinda the same.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

They're balancing weapons while not fixing the critical underlying bugs that make them completely pointless. New upgrade that makes fire deal more damage? Balance patch reducing fire damage by 15%? too bad neither matters, because the fire DoT effect doesn't work unless you are the host.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony is mandating the 1 warbond per month as well, which Arrowhead has mentioned is part of what's hamstringing them on fixing core issues. It's a real shame that corporate is willing to do this to their golden goose (which is their 7th best selling game ever?) just to make their line go up a little harder.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

I just submitted mine. Fuck Sony accounts

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm having similar thoughts, haven't played in two weeks because I was busy, most my friends have moved on anyway

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Might as well do it then. Worst case scenario, it'll be on sale by the next time you might want to play it

[–] Tier1BuildABear 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I got mine off fanatical and they're not budging, telling me to reach out to the devs lol. So I quoted the devs on their discord saying to pursue refunds and that I'd opened a chargeback XD

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Fanatical and all of the discount sites are basically "you bought it, you own it, no refunds." That's part of why they offer discounts, it's kind of a risk you take.

https://support.fanatical.com/hc/en-us/articles/201027572-Can-I-get-a-refund-cancel-my-order

Issuing a chargeback for a product that was delivered could land you in court even if it works. More realistically will result in Fanatical permanently banning your account.

Never buy a game on these sites if you are at all uncertain about it. There is no refund and the key has been exposed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

From that article they say they will issue refunds if there is a technical issue with the game. Thus, if you live in a country where PSN is not available, you could go that route. “I’m trying to sign up for multiplayer but I can’t because my country is not listed. Therefore multiplayer is broken and I want a refund, because this is a technical issue; a part of the game isn’t working.”

May be worth a shot…

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[–] uber_chicken 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've tried to refund twice in the past 2 days with no luck. Would love to know what option people are selecting and what message they are including to steam to get it

[–] MisterFrog 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Where do you live? Sprinkling in some consumer law may help

[–] uber_chicken 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I live in France, so I would be covered by EU consumer laws. Not something I'm familiar with at all but definitely something that could help

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Quote the right to have the advertised service delivered and that substantial changes can't be forced without a right for the buyer to refuse and cancel

https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/guarantees-and-warranties.html

See the points on conformity

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