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It seems that the motherboard is dead, and that it's a common issue with the 5a and I "should've known better," despite it being impossible to find decent information on phones these days.

I got it because it was the last Pixel with a headphone jack, and because it had good official LineageOS support. But I compromised: giving up the SD slot was tough for me, and now that I've been burned by not having one (I typically auto-backup my Signal history and other things to the SD card) I don't want to get another phone without it.

But the landscape seems bleak. The vast majority of phones that are officially supported by LineageOS are Pixels. It's impossible to find easy information on which phones have non-official LOS ROMs. Search results are useless these days, and I also keep running into an issue where after researching a phone for half an hour I discover that it has some arcane process to unlock the bootloader that doesn't always work, and the forum posters imply that the purchasers "should've known better." I'm just at my wit's end.

If anyone can suggest something that has decent deGoogled ROM support with the following features, I'd be very grateful:

  • OLED screen (a must-have for my photosensitivity)
  • SD card slot
  • I am willing to give up the headphone jack in order to expand my options
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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I absolutely despise it when people say "should have known better" when companies mess up. Not everyone is going to spend weeks researching obscure information before buying a phone.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

Ah yes, but it is the job of you, the consumer, to make sure you educate yourself about the products you buy. As the manufacturer, it's not my job to tell you anything about my product; except what I am legally responsible for divulging. It's your fault dear consumer, you didn't do your due diligence. Now, let me sell you another. /S

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's like when I got a Moto G4 just to realise it didn't have a compass

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait, not every phone has compass hardware?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's what I thought too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I would have never even thought of checking that. That's very surprising.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

As someone who thinks that "all" phones should have headphone jacks and that sustainability is a precious thing : https://www.sustaphones.com

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Sadly Murena only sells two models in Canada, one of which is the Pixel 5.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As someone who has given up, I admire your patience and persistence.

Have you considered https://grapheneos.org/ ? A cursory look has me considering a jump back in to the de-googled world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I tried GrapheneOS. They don't have a black theme, and they refuse to add it as an option. I immediately flashed LOS over it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry this doesn't directly answer your question, but I start with the supported phone list at Lineage then use www.gsmarena.com and www.phonearena.com to compare specs and release date.

This goes into a spreadsheet so I can sort/filter by specific features (in your case, headphone, SD slot, etc). Makes comparing easier.

From what I've seen, generally the unlockable phones (other than Pixel) come from Motorola, Sony, Xperia (there are others, those just seem to be the most prolific).

I'm currently working with Pixel 5's - I like the price point and size, and the simple flashing. Plus there's an image from DivestOS (a version of Android based on Lineage that's a little more security-minded, kind of between Lineage and Graphene).

How flashing is done could be a useful metric in your spreadsheet - some phones are rather straightforward (e.g. fastboot flashing unlock), while others require a separate app with (looking at you, Samsung).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is basically what I've been doing. But every time I find something that seems like a decent option, it's unavailable to purchase. I was interested in the Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro despite them being a bit older until I couldn't actually find one. I can find the Xiaomi Redmi Note 11 Pro and newer, and of course they aren't supported. It's just so frustrating.

And the Pixels don't have an SD slot and seem to have bad problems with dying randomly based on discussion I saw on Reddit, so I'm not excited to try them again.

My old go-to was the Moto line, but they're so expensive now for what you get. $450 + shipping + import fees, for a Moto G from two years ago? When I bought a brand new one on release day in 2015 for $200? I just can't bring myself to do it, not when it only has 4GB of RAM. The Pixel 5a had 6GB and already had lag even running a very lean ROM.

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[–] Asudox 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why not get a new pixel phone? They all support GrapheneOS

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Asudox 3 points 6 months ago

Fairphones then.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

If anyone has other recommendations that don't precisely match OP's needs, I'll also be in the market soon.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

IMO pixel phones are still the best for security an degoogling with grepheneOS also you should look into the downsides of having a customOS like linage that unlock your bootloader and can root your phone. They are worse for security then a regular phone.

So I think newest pixel with graphene OS is the best option still as they are the only phones that use the titan chip

[–] Raiderkev 7 points 6 months ago

5a had an extended warranty because this is a known issue. I got a new replacement 6a for free from Google, when I contacted them about it. If the MB is fried, they should still replace it even though you rooted / degoogled, they won't be able to turn it on to even see anyway. This was roughly a year ago. Might not still be a thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You already said you’re willing to give up the headphone jack. That’s a good start, since there’s fewer and fewer models being manufactured with it every year. May I recommend you give up the sd card slot as well?

Straight out the gate: sd cards suck and will betray you at the worst time. It’s not their fault, they’re possibly the only kind of storage you can still buy that doesn’t have a controller. Just raw doggin blocks through a set of spring contacts in a high vibration environment. Into a flash with no over provisioning capability.

But you’re using it as a backup. That’s no good! It’s like using a spinning hard drive as backup but then shaking it around and fucking with the cable while it’s doing its thing (it’s actually worse because the ata standard has a bunch of ways of dealing with that, the drive itself has a cache and the ability to say “woah there, hold up” to the host and is overprovisioned so it can silently automatically deal with bad or damaged blocks.)

If you can, back up to something else instead and verify your backups. If you got a computer you can use it, you could also use a cloud service or something. It still feels weird to call something as simple as sftp a cloud service but whatever.

Good luck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I do back up to my computer. But not every day, like I can with an SD card. I've never had an SD card fail on me, and having one has saved me when my Note 4 memory died. Having one makes it easier to transfer data between phones.

I've already given up removable batteries and headphone jacks. Why do I have to give up every single feature that used to be considered a basic necessity? Why should I spend so much money upfront for storage that I may not need, when I could easily expand it with an SD card if I need for much cheaper down the line?

I already tried a phone without an SD card slot and look where it got me. Installing the custom ROM was a pain. Transferring my data was a pain. The motherboard died with no warning, and now I've lost 2 months worth of data. I'm not doing this again.

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[–] Fake4000 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you don't mind getting an older used phone, then the Samsung A52s might be a good choice.

Its, OLED, has an SD slot, and has a headphone jack.

Also, apparently Lineage OS supports this device. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/a52sxq/

The other option is to get another Pixel and install Graphese. Though they don't come with an SD slot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So far this is the only thing I can actually find, so it might have to be what I go with if I insist on not getting a Pixel again. My last Samsung was a pain to flash, but I've heard that Odin is a thing of the past so hopefully it'll be easier this time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Don't buy Exyonos phones. They are full of weird incompatibilities and quirks. I've returned my A52 because once someone sent me a movie from their phone and I couldn't play it because the hardware didn't support some obvious codec.

[–] timo_timboo_ 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The S10 line of phones might be something to look for as well. They do have a headphone jack and a SD card slot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

if they're getting an S10, they should not get a US or Exynos chip versions. The US versions are bootloader locked and can't be unlocked and the exynos version are bad perfomance wise. If they can get their hands on Chinese or Hong Kong released versions, those have snapdragon chips and can be unlocked.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The Redmi Note 10 Pro has all you are asking for and is supported by custom roms.

I'm using crdroid on it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Had a similar issue as did one of my friends with pixels, which is unfortunate as grapheneos is one hell of a operating system.

After having 2 different pixels break (planned obsolescence) I ended up settling for a fairphone (which I can easily repair and replace parts myself with e/os - but divestOS also looks promising.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Have you looked at what sony has to offer? They latest xperia had a headphone jack, sd card and I believe lineageOS support.

i installed lineageOS on an xperia 5 ii, so older model, and seems to be going strong. got latest update 1 week ago.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They haven't been sold in Canada for years, and when I went looking for them on eBay the prices were ridiculous, if they were available at all. Most of the time I look for a model, there simply aren't any listings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's a damn shame. I really liked their phones, their only downside, I think, was the crap support - they only give 2 years of updates. But with lineage that is no longer an issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

They were the only option for a smaller phone for a long time as well, but sadly not available here... :(

[–] vikingtons 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about phones like the Xperia 5 IV?

They have unlockable bootloaders and AOSP ROM support?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Aye, they have unlockable bootloaders and sony also provides instructions and firmware needed to build your own AOSP if that's your pleasure. I just went the lineageOS way.

[–] vikingtons 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's wonderful to hear. Do they support relockable bootloaders with self signed keys? If so, that makes em possible to use with projects like GrapheneOS, CalyxOS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I've no idea on the relockable bootloader support with self signed keys. Though I do remember reading at some point from some lad ranting about why it's a bad idea to relock, and seemed to make sense, so I didn't look further into the matter. The post was on the... ehm... other website.

[–] vikingtons 2 points 6 months ago

Relocking is ideal for system integrity, you can have full verified boot support on ROMs like graphene

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I share your pain... No solutions for you however, sorry

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I was going to say the OnePlus Nord N200 because it has official lineage 20, but it's only got an LCD display so that won't work out for you.

[–] IsThisAnAI 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Did you attempt to warranty it? That should be covered. Shit does happen when you make a many phones as Google. EVERYONE is going to have occasional issues like this and Google has been exceptionally good to me with hardware in the past.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'd recommend the Sony Xperia lineup, but it seems as though the IV and V devices aren't supported by LineageOS (maybe just not yet?).

The Sony Xperia 1 III or 5 III might be fitting for you though.

[–] TCB13 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It seems that the motherboard is dead, and that it’s a common issue with the 5a

Where did you get it? Can you ask for warranty and get it replaced?

Frankly speaking if you're looking to de-google and have a secure experience (including re-locking the bootloader and having everything signed and encrypted) then your only option is GrapheneOS + Pixel phones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I got it on eBay and I will be trying to get the warranty to cover it, but I don't want this to happen again if they send another Pixel 5a. I already lost enough data from this.

Not interested in GrapheneOS.

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