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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by alphanerd4 to c/usauthoritarianism
 

‘Black people can’t swim’ Because until very recent memory, the US was an explicitly white supremacist authoritarian state, And access to public pools specifically Was one of the crowning achievements of The evil at the heart of this country. They destroyed every public pool that they couldn’t privatize. To keep segregation in place. And that’s why the US is still fucking segregated. The federal government stepped in until it wasn’t politically advantageous anymore and then they gave up And nothing had changed. They just declared victory and called white supremacy something else. If you look at US history, this is this is what the country is. This is the central pattern of what this colonial settler state is, And anything outside of that is fundamentally aspirational, divorced from the actual reality of the situation.

It’s really incredibly easy to say oh well it’s flawed, but it’s the best in the world, when it’s only people that you are OK with hurting that are getting hurt in the meantime.

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[–] glimse 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Hadn't seen this picture before so I looked into its validity (nothing personal, OP. Standard practice to check) and....yep, the text matches the image.

News cameras began rolling. Brock told the white swimmers "you're not putting these people in my pool", and—"with exaggerated gusto", suggests Warren —went to his office and brought out a 2 US gallons (7.6 L) drum of muriatic acid and poured it into the pool. This was a cleaning fluid, and Brock was "screaming that he would burn them out", comments Branch. Brock also yelled that he was "cleaning the pool", a presumed reference to it now being, in his eyes, racially contaminated.

[–] alphanerd4 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I looked into its validity (nothing personal, OP. Standard practice to check)

thats fine. My shtick here is radical reinterpretation of existing evidence. The historical events I draw on should be solid as a rock so i welcome a second pair of eyes.

[–] glimse 8 points 6 months ago

It certainly looked plausible but it's a good excuse to learn more, anyway. The context makes it even worse than the image text implies.

Some good reading on the wiki page I linked. It was apparently an on-going protest where even Rabbis were arrested!

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

FYI: muriatic acid is simply a hardware store name for hydrochloric acid.

[–] glimse 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The choice of liquid is almost irrelevant, it's the performance of it that I really found shocking

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The choice of liquid is hyper relevant. The difference between water and hydrochloric acid is the difference between a racist gesture and scarring racist violence or perhaps death.

[–] glimse 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I thought you were implying that the word choice was deliberate to imply it was a scarier substance or something. I didn't mean that any liquid is equally bad, just that which specific dangerous chemical he dumped was less shocking to me than the added context.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 3 points 6 months ago

Ahh yeah, fair! The context is just that most folks don't know what muriatic acid is. That shit is scary!

[–] stoly 4 points 6 months ago

and HCl will blind you, will burn your skin, and whose fumes are surely fun for the lungs

[–] stoly 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hadn’t seen this picture before so I looked into its validity

I think that this is an excellent way to approach something like this. I am a bit surprised (not at you personally) that you hadn't seen it before, though, it's been making the rounds for decades.

[–] glimse 4 points 6 months ago

I've seen tons of images from the civil rights movement but this one somehow slipped under the radar. I hadn't even heard of the protests that led up to it!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

In my town, the only public pool was filled with cement instead of allowing black families to use it after laws changed to require it. It was 30 years before a new integrated pool opened.

[–] TheAristocrat 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

From a chemistry standpoint, it's mostly symbolic. Unless the poor souls are very close to where he is pouring it in, they wouldn't feel much if anything. It's 2 gallons of at most 30% hydrochloric acid onto 10,000-15,000 gallons of water, the ph probably wouldnt measurably change. Still a total dick move.

[–] cosmicrookie 7 points 6 months ago

Nothing happened. They stayed in and one of the protesters even took a sip to show that they were safe.

An (off duty) cop even jumped in and started beating them up. I too though it was dangerous because we all just read the word acid

I guess the media has always been media

[–] CptEnder 5 points 6 months ago

Phew thanks chemist for soothing my leyman self that they may have been disfigured or wounded! Definitely still a dick move, a small-dick move.

[–] BeMoreCareful 4 points 6 months ago

It is a total dick move, but that's my thought as well. Some people add a gallon or two as a part of regular maintenance.

This guy is being a shit and probably aiming for them though. Inexcusable, but impotent.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Whatever became of racist James Brock?

King had attempted to be served lunch at the Monson Motor Lodge, but the owner, James Brock—who was also the president of the St. Augustine Hotel, Motel, and Restaurant Owners Association—refused to serve him. King was arrested for trespass and jailed; while imprisoned, he wrote a letter to leading Jewish reformer, Rabbi Israel Dresner, urging him to recruit rabbis to come to St. Augustine and take part in the movement. This they did, and at another confrontation at the Monson, 17 rabbis were arrested on June 18.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

The false belief that systemic racism is in the past is widely perpetuated, and (aside from the blatantly obvious police problem) many do not realize we are still very much a country which operates on white supremacy.

The most powerful book in transforming and informing my position on racism was DiAngelo's "White Fragility: Why it's so Hard for White People to Talk About Racism." I highly recommend this to everyone.

Some other great books are "How to be an Antiracist" by Ibram Kendi and "Privilege, Power, and Difference" by Johnson.

[–] Reddfugee42 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Top it off with the way they scoff at the notion of reparations. If your grandfather took a million dollars from my grandfather and that's still in your safe, that's mine fucker. Hell, even if it's just a dime, same principle.

[–] stoly -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm afraid that's not how reparations work.

[–] Reddfugee42 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to be afraid honey. But anyhow, I think you might be replying to the wrong comment because my comment doesn't say anything about how reparations work, just the reasoning behind them.

[–] stoly 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

low effort, bad faith comment with some extra ad hominem on the side, gotcha

[–] Reddfugee42 1 points 6 months ago

Ya know, I have to laugh that the guy who comments "that not how work 🥴" complains about others' "low effort" comments 😅👍 great trolling

[–] Reddfugee42 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You could just say "you're right" next time, instead of more whining plus complaining that you're being called out for whining.

[–] stoly -1 points 6 months ago

Or I can just block you. Yeah let’s do that.