Reminds me of my wife, before our first kid was born: "I don't care what he's gonna be, straight, gay, trans, but so help him God if he's going to be a vegetarian!"
If you say you're a boy does that make you a boy?
What's the rule?
Rules are made up.
Hmm… 🤔
Critics of anti-Zionism have argued that opposition to Zionism can be hard to distinguish from antisemitism, and that criticism of Israel may be used as an excuse to express viewpoints that might otherwise be considered antisemitic. In discussion of the relationship between antisemitism and anti-Zionism, "one theory holds that anti-Zionism is no more than veiled anti-Semitism". This is contrasted with the theory "that criticism of Israeli politics has been discredited as anti-Zionism, and thus linked with anti-Semitism, in order to prevent such criticism".
They’ve done a great job pretending disliking colonialism and genocide is antisemetic.
Luckily only an idiot conflates the two anymore.
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m an idiot. But in what little defense I may have, I am trying to learn the difference. I keep getting hung up on who is who because every time I turn around there is a different name being used for a particular group and I can’t for the life of me keep them all straight.
All I do know for certain is that religion is bad because of this and many more reasons.
It's not a religious conflict, though. It's about the land and about people wanting to enrich themselves on the backs of a native population. And also about the right-wing zealots who want to use the resentment against Israel for their own powerhungry benefits.
Religion or nationality as justifications for conflict (armed and leogal) are almost always just pretend and smokescreens to make it harder to spot who is benefitting from the conflict. It's always about power and money, never about the actual religion.
But isn’t the underlying reason for the land based on religious beliefs of “God-given” ownership?
Hmm. While reading up on who is who, I see that I might have had my sides mixed up again.
Ok, so here is what I’m getting so far today:
Aside of the recent atrocities of Israel, am I missing anything else? I do appreciate y’all’s patience in explaining this to me.
It's a bit inaccurate. The conflict has been going on since at least the end of WWI, when zionists started moving into Palestine and the British tried to play both sides, fucking everything up for everyone before heading out.
Both sides feel that the other side is the unreasonable one. But after Hamas did their brutal, inhuman massacre on October 7th, the retaliation by Israel's rulers have been blown sooo much outeof proportion. Partly, because Netanyahu and his goons will get prison sentences once the dust settles. So they escalate.
This video is the most unbiased and comprehensive explanation I've found until now
You forgot to edit out that last part that gives the game away that calling anti-zionism antisemitism is just a cheap tactic to discredit criticism of Israeli crimes against humanity.
I genuinely didn’t know better until my conversation with Deceptichum and Prinebutt. I’m still learning on this topic. It’s not coming easy to me for some reason. I do understand Israel is committing war crimes and acts of genocide. That’s pretty obvious. It’s the subtle nuances that I’m struggling with, and it honestly confuses me sometimes.
The issue is a lot of antizionists are also antisemites. We shouldn't have to parse through the rhetoric, but sadly, we sometimes do.
Are you kidding me? Antisemites love Israel!
They don't see a country of jews, they see a concentration camp with a UN vote that also does the work of killing Arabs for them until papa J comes back!
Ironically, this is the exact sort of thing I was talking about. Thanks for giving a demonstration.
Facts aren't antisemitic, and the dynamic I described is something Israel's politicians are well aware of when they donate to so called "christian zionists" in the west.
They don't actually want to be a bastion for the defense of jewish kind, in fact there are few people they hate more than jews who have actually faced antisemitism. They call holocaust survivor families soap people and fund politicians like MTG hoping that the more antisemites that come to power in the west the more they can lure more recruits to israel as fresh bodies for the war against Arab people being allowed to exist.
Do you know the settlers intend to take everything between the Euphrates and the Nile? You're claiming I'm the antisemitic one for being against a state that treats holocaust survivor families like garbage and literally has its own modern version of Lebensraum.
Fuck off "tHaNkS fOr DuH dEmOnStRaTiOn" you apartheid apologist fuckass.
I wouldn't qualify as a Zionist, nor do I support apartheid states.
Try again?
And all Zionists are antisemites.
I'd say that's a far larger issue than a few nazis pretending to be "antizionists."
What percentage of Jews are Zionists? I don't know but I think it might be a bit stupid to suggest most Jews hate themselves.
Zionism was literally invented by Christian antisemites in the UK - Zionists are the ultimate kapos.
It's very easy to be self-hating when you've been brainwashed into channeling that self-hate into militarism and nationalism.
So what percentage of Jews are you claiming hate themselves?
I need solid numbers here, which will be easy to fins, if what you say is true.
It's really simple - count the Jewish Zionists. Would that be difficult for you?
Okay well when you feel comfort able with your number s I will look them over!
Who do you think you're talking to? A liberal?
When you're done cowering behind distractions, we can continue this conversation.
If you are unable or unwilling to back up your claims, it isn't a conversation worthy of either of our time.
What claims? Did I make any?
I merely referred to history that is so uncontroversial that you can easily find it on wikipedia.
Need me to help you out with that?
From wikipedia:
Political support for the Jewish return to the Land of Israel predates the formal organization of Jewish Zionism as a political movement. In the 19th century, advocates of the restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land were called Restorationists.
And yet more:
Anita Shapira, a history professor emerita at Tel Aviv University, suggests that evangelical Christian restorationists of the 1840s "passed this notion on to Jewish circles". Evangelical Christian anticipation of and political lobbying within the UK for Restorationism was widespread in the 1820s and common beforehand. It was common among the Puritans to anticipate and frequently to pray for a Jewish return to their homeland.
Read this next part very, very carefully.
Zionism has never been anything other than antisemitic.
Everything that has ever grown from it and will ever grow from it cannot be anything other than antisemitic.
Are you done counting Zionists yet?
Neither of your sources quoted claim Jews who are Zionists are self hating.
Does being a kapo pay well, hasbara?
I don't know what that means, personally, but I'm not a bigot who goes around claiming that Jews are the true antisemites, so... Maybe that's a me problem.
If you want to shoot me a slur that a Can-Am goy would understand, I'm sure I will get a kick out of it.
Riiight... hiding behind confusion. That's a new one to me, hasbara - congrats.
I'm not confused, I just don't know the lingo bigots use, because I'm not one.
Oh look... a hasbara running interference for Israel is attempting to deflect by accusing others of bigotry.
Yawn.
You messaged me specifically to tell me that Jews are antisemites and then started hurling slurs at me, under the assumption I was Jewish.
Like, yeah, you're clearly a bigot. I would say your mother raised you to be more respectful to your fellow man, but she clearly didn't raise you at all.
Jews are antisemites
Are all Jewish people Zionists now?
Good job outing yourself, hasbara.
Well I asked what percentage you were making this claim about and you refused, claiming something about how you can't because you aren't a liberal.
And again, its a shame your mother didn't teach you to be decent to others.
Only Zionists conflate Zionism with Jewishness, hasbara.
Yes, we have established that you rely on antisemitism, calculated misc instructions, and name calling. For your next response, let's see if you are capable of wit.
I hope you can surprise me, little buddy.
Again, hasbara... only Zionists conflate Zionism with Jewishness.
Don't be angry at me because your feigned naivety-schtick couldn't hide your white supremacism.
I am a white supremacist now? Wow.
I thought you were delusional, it turns out you are delusional and a liar.
I need to congratulate you, because you truly have earned a spot on my block list. Good luck, little buddy.
Goodbye, hasbara.
Remember to check under your bed for anti-zionists.
It's definitely a hasbara account. Inspired me to post:
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