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“I will no longer be complicit in genocide [in Gaza]. I am about to engage in an extreme act of protest,” the man apparently said before setting himself alight and repeatedly shouting “Free Palestine!”

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[–] [email protected] 316 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Law enforcement also drew a gun on the burning man during the incident, according to a report by Task and Purpose.

When you're a hammer...

[–] [email protected] 278 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I read that and was like "of fucking course they did." Honestly the next paragraph makes it even worse, IMO.

Authorities were heard asking the man – “May I help you, sir?” – at first but as soon as he was engulfed in flames they started yelling at him to get down on the ground. They even drew their guns on the burning man before someone pushed them to get fire extinguishers to extinguish the fire.

Threats of physical violence are the only tool they have in their toolbox. THE ONLY tool.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 9 months ago

Threats of physical violence are the only tool they have in their toolbox. THE ONLY tool.

And actual gun violence. They're the sniwflakiest and wimpiest of the all, bringing an AK-47 to a civilised discussion and feeling "threatened".

[–] ReiRose 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Let's escalate everything to death

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago
[–] Aleric 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they thought he had a pocket full of acorns.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This would be hilarious if it was satire, but this ain't the onion.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

You can not make this shit up. Jesus fucking Christ what a world.

[–] [email protected] 184 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (23 children)

It's a bit of a beleaguered point, but it's very telling that this will assuredly get almost no coverage on big news networks like abc, cbs, fox, etc. and virtually no coverage in the larger papers like the NYT, sure the press agencies like Reuters and the AP will cover it and then redistributors like your source will publish this, but little thought among the media class/commentariet will be given to the man who decided there was so little hope of being able to do anything through legal/electoral means to stop a genocide that he could no longer stand idly by and had to do something to protest the sheer inhumanity of what's going on. Barely anyone probably still remembers the person who did the same thing and died in 2022 on earth day protesting inaction on climate change/destruction, that story was absolutely buried. I don't support any kind of self harm, but doing something as drastic as this requires a pretty compelling reason, most people remember Tibetan monks doing the same thing, but the same importance was not extended to that person in 2022 and will almost definitely not be extended to this person now. I may end up being wrong, but I expect this to be out of the news cycle/discourse in days at most.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was listening to BBC World Report this morning. They made quick mention of it along with some other things happening in the conflict, then went on to introduce their "expert" who would illuminate the situation.

Their so called expert was an employee of some Israeli institute of security or whatever, and he talked on for ages with minimal push-back about how the israeli army is doing everything by the book and how "Gaza is safe for civilians, and if it's not it's the fault of Hamas".

That was all the coverage they did.

What a fucking joke.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago

"gee why did he set himself on fire? must just be something people do"

it's laughable how US media attributes self-immolation in Tibet to what must be CPC oppression, but self-immolation in the US must just be a cute little coincidence due to poor mental health

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Few people will remember him, but if any are spurred into action by his act, then it won't be a completely wasteful loss of life.

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[–] doingthestuff 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

They didn't even share his name, either it is something middle eastern sounding or they just want everyone to forget about him.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 9 months ago (9 children)

as he was engulfed in flames they started yelling at him to get down on the ground. They even drew their guns on the burning man before someone pushed them to get fire extinguishers to extinguish the fire.

Stop killing yourself or I'll shoot you! lmao

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Looks like he was an anarchist comrade.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Seems weird that an anarchist was a US soldier. Maybe he joined before he came to the political beliefs he held as he burned, or perhaps he came to these beliefs because of what he saw in the army.

[–] Maggoty 27 points 9 months ago

That happens quite a lot when you recruit teenagers with the promise of tech job skills.

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is the 2nd one. The only reason we're even hearing about this is because he had to foresight to live stream it and also an independent journalist was there with a camera

[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Anyone who still visits reddit, how [deleted] is this story over there?

Edit: I've created a torrent for the video if anyone wants to help seed. His sacrifice in bringing attention to the US-sponsored genocide in Palestine must not be forgotten.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Using the word "genocide" bans you in r/politics now

r/washingtondc locked the post

[–] Aermis 31 points 9 months ago

Wait really? Just using genocide gets you banned in politics? What a bunch of shmeggs. I got banned there years ago because the mods simply went through my post history. I'm still shook with how the narrative and mind of users are tilted towards a very skewed viewpoint.

Some people believe the user base of reddit is diverse, and they're getting a healthy view of the world. Unbewknowest to them they find themselves dumbfounded when the world isn't conforming to what they believe is the majority opinion

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[–] shneancy 68 points 9 months ago (10 children)

"law enforcement drew guns at the burning man" 💀

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Self immolation as a form of protest. For anyone unaware of it there was a Buddhist monk who immolated themself to protest the oppression of Buddhists by the Catholic PM of Vietnam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine_%28album%29

https://time.com/3791176/malcolm-browne-the-story-behind-the-burning-monk/

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

"Arab Spring" started with a immolation.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

censored video: https://twitter.com/taliaotg/status/1761944158636331247

catbox archived: https://files.catbox.moe/khy3kv.mp4
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~~Couldn't find uncensored version~~. Uncensored below

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Fucking Christ my hearts beating so fast. Goddamn i didn't want to see that but i watched it cus i thought i owed it to him... Goddamnit.

And also shout out to the "hero" pointing his gun at his smouldering corpse as if it will lunge at him any moment.

Goddamnit

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

He specifically livestreamed the video and sent links to the livestream and archive to various journalists and anarchist press so that the video would be shared and viewed. Its a disservice for it to be censored and weird that person also watermarked it with their @

Uncensored version: (GRAPHIC VIDEO WARNING) https://x.com/v4p4l/status/1761995206465888567?s=46&t=xtlq_1V7eXJ31HI_SLdE9g It will likely be removed soon so download while you can if you think it deserves to be archived.

Twitter is terrible so heres an upload on archive.org that has a torrent and driect download https://archive.org/download/rpreplay-final-1708967255

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He was too innocent for this world. I don't know what to say other than I promise I will never forget him and that I'll try to spread his message and do everything I can to help free Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He is the fiery monk of our time. I watched the video below and I will admit after the second "Free Palestine" and the screaming started, I had to turn the sound off until he fell and I suspected the screaming stopped.

He is braver and has more strength than anyone on the Israeli side. I won't forget that this hero couldn't stay silent in the face of genocide.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

I wish there was another option for him.

We failed to be organized enough.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

I've created a torrent for the video if anyone wants to help seed. His sacrifice in bringing attention to the US-sponsored genocide in Palestine must not be forgotten.

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[–] TimeNaan 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

More bravery in this one man than all of the IDF combined. Rest in power!

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[–] thorbot 52 points 9 months ago (8 children)

God damn, this is brutal. I watched it and it gave me absolute chills. The world won’t forget this man’s bravery and sacrifice, even if the media doesn’t cover it.

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[–] braxy29 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

having viewed the video now, i initially found myself surprised i was not more horrified. my best guess as to why is this - what seemed most notable to me was his apparent sanity and intentionality in making this choice. he chose the where and when of his death and intended it to matter.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

I couldn't believe how long he stayed on his feet after he could no longer scream. Rest in Power Aaron.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (20 children)

This guy is very brave, but everyone taking about the embassy security drawing weapons when they arrive. Of course they would. They don't know what was planned, if it was a suicide bombing gone wrong, our whatever else. I'm not pro cop but I don't understand why people are surprised by this. They are security

[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (17 children)

Sure, maybe if they drew their weapons immediately, before his act. That'd make sense. They wouldn't know what he was gonna do.

The trouble is, based on the reporting we have, they drew their guns after he lit himself on fire, not before:

as soon as he was engulfed in flames they started yelling at him to get down on the ground. They even drew their guns on the burning man before someone pushed them to get fire extinguishers to extinguish the fire.

I'm thinking by the time the guy was engulfed in flames he was a little too preoccupied to do much else.

Can you imagine facing a living bonfire, and your first thought is "I should draw my gun and tell them to get down on the ground"? There's genuinely no excuse for that level of inhumanity.

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[–] daltotron 38 points 9 months ago

Whoever keeps throwing in the shit about law enforcement in these stories, which I think was actually a security officer for the embassy, drawing a gun, is doing a pretty good job of distracting from the main issue of what this guy lit himself on fire and died for. Doing a much better job than all the whinging about how he was mentally ill, and how this won't change anything, and how there's no clear cause, that mainstream news outlets are doing when they cover this type of stuff, if they cover it at all.

I would also like to kind of point out here, that "this won't change anything, this guy was mentally ill, he killed himself for nothing", is really only true if you decide it to be true. We get to decide whether or not this motivates us to do something or not. We get to decide whether or not we let this affect us. Whether or not we do something, to make sure this doesn't happen again, you know? And that's mostly, in my mind, the purpose of this kind of protest.

Maybe it makes the institutions think about what they're doing, probably not, since, if they were gonna think that, they should've probably thought that about the 20,000 or so palestinians that have been killed. This protest is mostly engineered to get you mad, and sad, and to make you, the viewer, think about why this is happening, and think about what you can do to stop it. Not just deflecting immediately to whether or not it was effective, because by doing so, you let it not be as effective.

Brings to mind the discourse against, really any form of protest that I've seen. You could take the george floyd protests, for example. So, sure, the government throws in agent provocateurs, in order to turn what would otherwise be peaceful protests, which would shut down any traffic into and out of the city, and would choke off any economic activity (puts pressure on businesses, utilities, puts pressure on local government, which needs to please these people who don't really care about the protest but want things to go back to normal).

But by doing so, right, by causing those passive forms of damage, but also by causing active forms of damage, say, burning a big box store down, right, the public showcases that, if a certain legal decision to, say, let derek chauvin off, occurs, then there will be potentially more protests and more destruction, which provides great incentive against that decision occurring.

Now, in this case, there's not as clear of a process, because there's not as clear of repercussions if they decide to do nothing. About the only thing that might happen is that this might happen again, which, might, by some process of media coverage, put enough pressure on politicians to cause this to stop, if it becomes a political issue. The same thing is happening with mass shootings, which aren't a greatly impacting issue, by the numbers, right, they're much less than that of road deaths, heart disease, other forms of gun violence.

But they are so horrifying to the american public and to really anyone of moral conscience, that they should serve as a clear marker that something is wrong, and something needs to change. Serial killers create a similar effect. It's almost like a kind of terrorism, using that word without judgement, here. That's the power of these protests. We've already seen it spread across a bunch of news media, even though it's being reported about as poorly as you'd expect.

I'm not particularly sure that repeat incidents would do any good, and I think I'd generally be opposed to that, as should anyone, but, an instance of self-immolation is what caused the arab spring. This sort of thing isn't ineffective, I think it does a disservice to aaron bushnell to say otherwise.

If you want to stop this sort of thing from occurring in the first place, you should really try to understand why it was happening, instead of brushing it aside.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (9 children)

The comments on the video are actually more horrifying than the video itself. How can a human watch another human suffer like this and be happy/laugh about it? They're wishing that others would do the same just because they think differently from them? Do we even have any hope left in humanity anymore?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Holy shit you weren't kidding. Those comments are horrifying.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago
[–] PanArab 32 points 9 months ago

Rest in power

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