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[-] AllonzeeLV 388 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm a leftist, not a libertarian, but I always feel compelled to bring up a specific point in Snowden's defense when he is mentioned to divisive opinions:

He did speak up correctly, using the correct channels, and the proper channels told him to shut the fuck up.

Then he again did what he did the rightest way he could, by giving the data to one of the oldest members of the fourth estate, the press, to decide proper course, ONLY AFTER the primary state failed him spectacularly.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Estate

[-] madcaesar 12 points 2 months ago

Do you know why he had to out himself? Why didn't he give stuff to the papers and stay hidden?

[-] franklin 17 points 2 months ago

They were state secrets with a very well documented list of individuals to which it had been disclosed and he was documented as having had taken issue with the program. It's reasonable that it would be traced back to him and that he would not be given protections or a fair trial.

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[-] [email protected] 144 points 2 months ago

This work survey is anonymous and won't be associated with any identifying information. Feel free to voice your authentic opinions.

[-] haulyard 66 points 2 months ago

Proceeds to login via OKTA to access survey.

[-] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

"I don't feel strongly about anything" if it's required, deleted email if it's not

[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

At work, you keep your opinions to yourself.

It doesn't matter if you are asked for your opinion by your boss, in an "anonymous" survey, or by a co-worker at a seemingly innocuous kids birthday party. There are no friends in business. Stick to business. Anything you say can and will be used against you.

I'm not a very political person. I don't have strong feelings about it sir. Taking care of business is my priority.

Stay safe out there folks.

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[-] doublejay1999 8 points 2 months ago

I neither agree nor disagree.

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[-] [email protected] 111 points 2 months ago

He revealed massive warrantless domestic surveillance. The 1700s equivalent would be if the post office made copies of every single letter everyone sent and then promised not to read them unless the sender or recipient was one day subject to a valid warrant. Whoever revealed this info would've been a hero and a patriot back then, and it should be the same today.

Snowden leaked his info about these programs more than a decade ago. If that is what the three-letter agencies and big tech were capable of doing in secret then, just imagine the shady shit they're doing now.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Watching us via the front camera while we poop?

[-] AdrianTheFrog 7 points 2 months ago

If that is what the three-letter agencies and big tech were capable of doing in secret then, just imagine the shady shit they’re doing now.

It's publicly available information that almost all social media companies have all of your private posts and the ability to release them to anyone they desire. People just don't care.

[-] Aux 6 points 2 months ago

Do you know why mail seals existed back then?

[-] PrimeMinisterKeyes 15 points 2 months ago

They used seals for mail? No wonder delivery took so long.

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[-] [email protected] 101 points 2 months ago

I still remember when everything came out and so much FUD was out there calling him a traitor.

I think to this day a large chunk of folks have no idea the breadth of what he told us and what he gave up to do so.

I couldn't do it, i don't think

[-] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I remember a lot of it was weird. It's was like he "only" had a high school diploma and his ex-girlfriend was a model. Like the most pointless crap you've heard of. He's a patriot, he saw a lot of bad crap going on. He tried to report it and then he gave up his freedom to let us know. I'm not sure I could do it either.

[-] aidan 8 points 2 months ago

Yeah, and any programmer knows how much important software is written by people with "only" a highschool diploma

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[-] LemmyKnowsBest 12 points 2 months ago

I still don't understand why he had to leave the country and can never come back,

and where is he anyway? Who is taking care of him? How does he earn money to survive? What is he doing?

[-] Anticorp 31 points 2 months ago

Last I heard he's in Russia because everywhere else was going to extradite him, and Russia was stoked to have him in the country as a big FU to the USA.

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[-] __dev 20 points 2 months ago

He immediately got charged under the Espionage Act. If he didn't leave or if he came back he'd be tried, without a jury, and get either life in prison or the death penalty.

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[-] [email protected] 79 points 2 months ago

Instead of arguing about the guy why don't people simply focus on what he leaked?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

[-] 4lan 52 points 2 months ago

his persecution is the distraction from the crimes he exposed.

They tell us he endangered our operatives, yet not one example has surfaced in over a decade. You know they would be shouting that shit from every rooftop if it happened.

This is how the USA treats heroes. We persecute them for exposing our evil.

[-] ExfilBravo 8 points 2 months ago

What's funny about this picture is Obama was seeking his extradition for the leaks. I'd still vote for him again though.

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[-] Iceman 11 points 2 months ago

It's a contious effort to distract from the leaks. Same tactic was used for Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange.

[-] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago

This guy is the definition of a modern day hero. If you haven't read his book "permenant record", get on it

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[-] Suavevillain 45 points 2 months ago

I have nothing but respect for Edward Snowden.

[-] distantsounds 45 points 2 months ago

IDK what this has to do with Libertarianism, but I agree with the meme

[-] PropaGandalf 19 points 2 months ago

Free speech isn't exclusive to libertarianism but it is truly a core value of that philosophy

[-] SeabassDan 31 points 2 months ago

"No, we mean stuff about the bad guys. Not us."

[-] HLMenckenFan 29 points 2 months ago

#FreeSnowden

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

“Not like that…”

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

For EU citizens: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32019L1937

The states shall provide a secure and anonymous channel to enabling safe whistleblowing. A software for this is globaleaks.org

A state should provide a channel to anonymously blow the whistle. Then, this information is forwarded to the correct authorities.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

This sounds awesome, but what authorities exactly are the correct ones? What happens when I want to report THE authorities?

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[-] crystalmerchant 18 points 2 months ago

No not like that

[-] hobsbawm_goblin 13 points 2 months ago

Luckily he was able to escape Russia safely. If he stayed in the US he would've been tortured just like Chelsea Manning and Assange.

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