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It was growing too. It just wasn't profitable.

These days we have much cheaper ways to handle uploading and downloading insane amounts of video content (if you're interested, I recommend checking out some System Design resources on TikTok or YouTube), but it's pretty much all CDN and slightly more efficient backend services). We also have better ways to monetize platforms. Like data. Buttt ByteDance is also trying to do things like set up physical goods stores/etc, and it's 2024 where userbase and brand name is more important than actual revenue anyways.

Twitter clearly mishandled it. All they needed to do was give the option to post longer videos. Classic example of a large company buying a small innovative service and destroying it for no reason. I assume they thought it was too similar and in competition with Twit's existing ability to post videos.

So data mining was the missing ingredient...

Except that Vine did allow videos longer than 6 seconds.

I was big into Vine. Like it was the only thing I cared about for a period of time.

They seem to be hoping that now, with AI, they can. :-|

A ton of this!

I'm a way bigger fan of long-form content. I hardly even get any videos suggested on TT that are less than 3-5 minutes (mostly history and philosophy type stuff). It's pretty awesome how good it is at recommending stuff you'll like!

I could never imagine watch strictly 6 sec videos. It's just not for me

Yeah I think paying the creators generously and allowing them to make a good living is how tiktok got off the ground so fast.

I really love the vine 6 sec sketch format but I only ever watches compilations on youtube. It's like a box of chocolate, you never know what you'll get, but eat enough of them... :D PS: Man this makes me nostalgic about those ancient times when everything wasn't going to shit yet

People started to romanticise myspace as soon as it was gone

If it helps, some of us never used it, didn't get it, and don't miss it

It's the "new bad old good" circlejerk internet hipsters love.

That’s because you were born before 2005 and still have some semblance of an attention span

dopamine pump goes brrrr.

But also, I think to some degree, "building meaningful platforms with an abundance of excellent communication options" is kind of just. Investor speak. It's kind of impossible. Systems are brittle, communication needs to be flexible, to some degree.

Speaking more specifically, right, if we're looking at reddit and lemmy as examples, we have to think about the kinds of content that these systems are incentivizing. Upvotes float a post to the top of the front page, top of the comments section, right, and then that kind of lends itself to platforms where the top posts are snippy little nothings that everyone can kind of vaguely agree with, while the most downvoted posts are going to be snippy little nothings that everyone can kind of vaguely disagree with. And then you're getting the full range in-between, with really no way to kind of properly find things based on what their substance is. The organization structure, basically, is arranged based on the kind of collective idea of quality, which isn't really a specific enough kind of organization to be useful to most people.

So, that has drawbacks. What if we just went at it like a classic forum, right? People make accounts, people make posts, maybe you even have a membership fee. Well, now post quality has maybe gone up, but we've also created a large barrier to entry, which is a really bad strategy for growth. That's maybe not a problem, as people tend to kind of, stupidly prioritize rapid expansion over steady growth and the quality of their core product, right, without really understanding the value they are actually looking to create.

Realistically though the biggest problem is just that the insularity of the forum is kind of going to be a snowballing thing, especially depending on subject matter. Jargon and in-jokes can develop that make it basically impossible to interface with as a newcomer, and that's going to lead to a kind of inertial collapse where forums just slowly come up and then slowly go back down. Also contributing to this is kind of a point at which every discussion has been had before on the server archives, so any time you make a new post, refer to post 1224. If they don't just die from inflation of basic goods, and can't afford to keep up hosting costs, which is also a major killer of classic forums.

So, conventional forums also have drawbacks. So maybe we get rid of the accounts, now it's anonymous, and everything is still going to be organized chronologically, right? Nope, that sucks, because now there's not really any incentive to keep up post quality and your forum is going to get spammed to death with the maximum amount of possible noise, meaning you need to take on bot filters, which means you need to create more brittle systems to try and sort quality posts away from chaff. You could also just, not do this, and let chaff kind of swim around on your platform, but, that might not be a great idea, I dunno.

If you do end up somehow making a platform that can be, at the very least, popular and desirable for communication, then you've basically just ended up making a public good that you're probably not massively paid for. Queue the platform getting bought out and ruined by an idiot stooge. Not just elon, but also, every other platform on the internet ever.

I think it's pretty reasonable to look at all that and just think. Man. I want some more dopamine! Turn on the dopamine pump! And then the corporation says, yes sir, here is your dopamine pump, "free" of charge, of course, go to town.

Basically the cynicism is from two ends, is what I'm saying. It's from the fact that the internet is kind of constantly undergoing a kind of expansion and contraction, where the systems work at the low end, and then rise, and then collapse under their own weight once noise starts to accumulate, right, so an ideal system is somewhat impossible, at least, under the current kind of economic constraints, maybe, but maybe also in general. So there's a cynicism to that, right. There's also the cynicism of being conscious of that. And then there's also the cynicism of like, people just not really wanting communication, and wanting dopamine pumps. Though, I think people might really want both, if they were pressed on it.

As I understand it, its about getting memes faster. Shitposts on reddit/lemmy are too slow for some folks.

Imagine thinking that any for-profit company built on VC funding won't end up data mining.