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France uncovers a vast Russian disinformation campaign in Europe::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 10 months ago (25 children)

Disinformation or more accurately, lying, is Russian doctrine. Everything that they say seems to be a lie and designed to delay appropriate action.

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[–] realitista 117 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Uncovering these rings, publicizing them, and shutting them down needs to be a top priority. I think a lot, if not most, of the bad decisions made by voters stem from these kind of bad actors. We've let it go on for long enough.

[–] DacoTaco 36 points 10 months ago

Not only voters, also politicians. Everyone can be influenced, even those in power :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You'd have thought publicising them would involve not only saying they exist, but also educating people about what the misinformation is. As far as I can tell from a quick scan, the article doesn't talk about the message the proganda is pushing. I'm just as clueless as before about what I should believe and what I shouldn't.

Are the public just meant to know when they're being lied to?

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wait?!! RUSSIA?!?!?

Misinformation campaign?!?!

Surely some mistake?!?!

That would be SO unlike them!!!

[–] Viking_Hippie 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

DISinformation. The difference is that misinformation might or might not be intentional, whereas disinformation is organised intentional misinformation with specific goals in mind.

Not that I blame you for getting it wrong, mind you, since most media outlets consistently do.

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[–] cygon 67 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm expecting a really nasty autumn this year. A big chunk of Russia's campaign against Europe is held up by Ukraine and they badly need a stooge US president again.

Musk also opened Twitter's doors wide for state-sponsored manipulation and agitation campaigns. All protections are offline and the teams are gone, under the guise of free speech.

[–] RunawayFixer 12 points 10 months ago

To add: Twitter under Musk also complies with all government censorship requests since Musk took over. News on Twitter has been hugely influential in the past in protests in authoritarian states, but that's clearly a thing of the past now.

Full compliance with government censorship was 83% in may last year, up from the 50% it was before Musk.

And partial + full compliance was at 98.8%, up from 92% before Musk. And the remaining 1.2% were not denied, just status unknown, so it's basically 100%.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/5/2/twitter-fulfilling-more-government-censorship-requests-under-musk

I wonder what the current numbers are and how the full/partial takedowns are geographically distributed. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if partial compliance was limited to some western countries and it's full compliance everywhere else.

Elon Musk, the self declared "free speech absolutist", what a shithead.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Anyone else getting tired of Russia's bullshit?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

If you're in a country that shares a border with Russia, or are Canadian or British and understand the end goal of this, you've been sick of it for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Europe certainly is. I should note that while most of their campaigns happen over on Twitter & Facebook that if federated social media ever took off in a big way it would happen there too and it might actually be harder to control if it did.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well yes and obviously. Russia is a bad actor and obviously wants to sow division & doubt over the war in Ukraine, to sow division in general, and to slander political enemies. They have a special interest in interfering with US and European politics.

They're not the only bad actor of course. If you see memes & misinfo trend about immigration, Ukraine, drugs, vaccines, climate change, abortion, gas & oil, politics, NATO, EVs, MAGA, Palestine / Israel, dissidents etc. then invariably there is a bad actor driving that crap. They'll use their clusters of bots on Twitter to amplify the info until it gets picked up by useful idiots looking to retweet around.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

If you see memes & misinfo trend about immigration, Ukraine, drugs, vaccines, climate change, abortion, gas & oil, politics, NATO, EVs, MAGA, Palestine / Israel, dissidents etc. then invariably there is a bad actor driving that crap.

The thing is, there's a lot of stuff in those topics you list that we need to have social discourse about and there are legitimate differences of opinion on. I don't think you can write everyone that is against what somebody/government deems as "approved fact" as a bad actor. I'm sure I would disagree with you on a number of those topics and would argue them in good faith. This is what makes it all so hard.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yes you can have a social discourse. What I mean is somebody took time to turn some disinfo in meme form and amplify it. This is inauthentic actors poisoning discussions with lies and division.

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[–] riodoro1 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Rightwing idiots are already drooling to swallow up everything they say.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Russian propaganda is big on the left, too.

[–] Omgarm 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Honestly Portal Kombat is a great name.

[–] dejected_warp_core 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a great pun, but I hate how good an English pun it is, especially for the operation. It suggests that these guys aren't hacks, and have enough language and culture skills to blend in. The recent "warm water ports" gaffe comes to mind.

Also, intelligence agencies don't use cute code names for things like this since it makes it easier to work out the operation scope or intent. To me, this also says that the operation is "at arm's length" and the name was coined by non-government folks. Think: information age mercenaries.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Without paywall. (Initially posted the same link, but then I noticed their comment. Leaving mine up since theirs doesn't explicitly say what the link is)

[–] acceptable_pumpkin 23 points 10 months ago

Reason number %large_number% + 1 why support for Ukraine cannot falter. Russia cannot win its offensive there and continue to spread its poison across the world.

[–] fox2263 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I too also uncovered this, but it was quite some time ago now

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[–] LightDelaBlue 17 points 10 months ago
[–] Wooki 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Also in news tonight: Water, it is wet!

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[–] recapitated 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Why even fund uncovering these. Just build your systems with this as a consideration. If it's not Russia it will be someone else.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

To prove that they're real. Without proof it can be seen as a conspiracy

[–] khaliso 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Just make sure all information is correct. How hard can it be?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

How do you defend against something without first uncovering it and seeing how it works?

[–] mojofrododojo 8 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
[–] southernbrewer 5 points 10 months ago

These dudes look like we've just walked in on them kissing

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I really prefer the Israeli and the USA disinformation campaigns /s

Fucking neoliberals... decades of neoliberal economic policy, imperialism and media conglomeration allowed this fertile ground in the first place.

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