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The general consensus in that thread is that, while the Vision Pro can play "flat" porn videos on sites like PornHub, there is currently not an easy way to play 180 degree side-by-side videos on the Vision Pro, which is how most commercial VR porn is filmed.

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[–] surewhynotlem 111 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Porn aside, doesn't this mean it just can't handle standard video formats?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It means you'll use a third party app to watch content, just like you do for pretty much every type of content on iPhone and Android.

Just no one has published one for Apple vision yet, because no one has had one.

[–] damnthefilibuster 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Judging by how iOS STILL doesn't natively support WebM, I suppose it will never have support outside specific apps.

So fucking annoying to find a good meme and send it on Signal, only to see my friend reply "doesn't play" for the hundredth time.

Fuck Apple.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Kind of? But hot take - their format is actually better for flat content. They seem to want people to use their "spatial video" format which seems like it can be just two videos in a QuickTime or MP4 container. It wouldn't surprise me if you could just use ffmpeg to convert whatever into their format pretty dang quickly. It's actually just MV-HEVC.

Most 3D video right now is one video track with two distorted videos either side by side for flat or 180 content, or top and bottom for most 360 content. It gets encoded and played back as standard flat video and then the player does the splitting and dewarping for the headset (or for flat just correcting the aspect ratio). They don't seem to support doing any of that in their built in player.

Instead, with MV-HEVC, they encode one eye as the "main" video track, and do deltas to get the other eye, giving you way better resolution since you aren't splitting the frame in half, and better efficiency since you aren't encoding essentially the same image twice (theoretically you could have a codec that could couple copy a big chunk of the frame like that but I'm not aware of any that actually do). It also means if you play it back in 2d you just get a normal video instead of a weird distorted mess, and you can swap to the other eye if you player supports multi track video. They also do some clever stuff with captions in 3d too.

It doesn't seem like they support any sort of immersive 3d video (i.e. 180 or 360 degree fov) in their player at all, but I haven't looked at it a ton. I mostly just took a glance at their developer stuff. It seems like a very apple thing to do since 180/360 video is difficult to do right.

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[–] beefcat 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The built-in video player doesn't support side-by-side stereoscopic video formats. The title of the article should state that the AVP does not play certain 3D video formats out of the box, making the story about porn is just a weird pivot to generate clicks.

However there is already at least one third party app that plays SBS video just fine. You can also convert SBS video to MV-HEVC, which is arguably a better 3D format, and use the built-in player.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

according to my quick googling, it can play some but not all media files...

[–] dpkonofa 8 points 9 months ago

No, the article is wrong. I’ve played a bunch of videos, 2D and 3D, and it works fine. The players that launched in the App Store are the issue.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago (6 children)

As an Index owner, it is simply not fun or convenient to jerk off wearing your VR gear. 3/10 the tech isn't there yet.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Maalus 16 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I can't hold my dick and both controllers at the same time.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I could not disagree more. It’s like I’m actually motor-boating three beautiful women’s massive bosoms at the same time. And it’s like they’re all really sitting on my face. I’m using a Quest though so I’m not sure if there’s a difference. Just make sure you’re using large file sizes. 10GB+.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Are you watching a video, rather than an actual game? The interactivity of a game is where the fun is, but the lack of game selection is an issue.

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[–] BowtiesAreCool 20 points 9 months ago

I find it fine with my Quest 2. Like I’m not gonna replace all masturbating with VR but it’s fun occasionally.

[–] june 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can’t agree more. It was near the first time, and it was the same time that I realized it’s just not that great when it’s nothing but visual stimuli and no interaction of any sort. I’d enjoy it more if they made it more of a voyeur experience where I could move around the room and watch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I was just unconformable, trying not to nut on my equipment, and could only operate one boob at a time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Budget issue I think, it's really not affordable to purchase both a VR headset and a receptacle that's more complex than a fleshlight on a sawhorse.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

For the most part yeah, it's just a novelty. The feeling of presence is pretty cool though, like the sense that someone is standing close to you. I feel like most VR porn is not taking advantage of the medium very well, might be better if it wasn't trying to be an outright sex simulation.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So, not just porn but all SBS videos are unsupported?

[–] NOT_RICK 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is a shame. I have a 3D blu ray of Dredd that I have been unable to watch in 3D since the 3D TV fad died about a decade ago.

[–] IchNichtenLichten 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] NOT_RICK 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s one of my favorites. I heard rumblings of a sequel maybe 5 years ago but I doubt it’s happening.

[–] IchNichtenLichten 7 points 9 months ago

Karl Urban wants to do another. Maybe once Alex Garland is done with Civil War?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Someone will make an app.

Apple has never had their own apps focus on supporting non-standard formats. This isn't anything unusual.

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[–] dpkonofa 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They’re wrong. Download The Archive. Has a built-in video player. You’re welcome.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Does it enable VR porn though? I don't think they are saying that the vision pro can't play videos, but that it doesn't support the stereoscopic ones.

[–] dpkonofa 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It does. The Archive has options for Stereo/Mono Horizontal/Vertical Plane/Sphere/Morph.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Did you hear that? It's like a million voices suddenly cried out in a whisper: "Fuck. Yeah."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The Archive

Is that just an AVP app or an actual resource on the web some of us should be aware of?

[–] dpkonofa 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s an AVP Star Trek app. I downloaded it because it has AR models of all the Star Trek ships and then found out it plays SBS 3D videos while trying to watch some of my movie rips on Plex.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

haha it's funny to imagine needing to use a Star Trek app to watch porn.

[–] dpkonofa 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have yet to watch porn (have tried it on other headsets before and it’s not great) but the other video apps will figure their situations out. I just wanna watch my movies in 3D. I used to have a 3D TV and so I amassed a pretty big collection of movies and I just saw on a whim that The Archive has a video player and it works.

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[–] Son_of_dad 32 points 9 months ago

Shit, even my shitty old phone in a cardboard headset can play 180 VR videos and this thing can't

[–] andros_rex 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Doesn’t Apple tend to be very anti-porn? Not allowed on the App Store, and they tend to have lots of restrictions on the content that apps can show. It seems like you’d have to jailbreak it, which Apple probably makes as difficult as possible.

[–] Ghostalmedia 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like this might must be a video format issue, and there are a LOT of apps in the App Store that play videos that are not natively supported by the OS. I don’t see why Apple wouldn’t continue to approve apps that support other formats and codecs.

[–] NOT_RICK 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

VLC not on Vision Pro yet?

[–] Ghostalmedia 8 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (5 children)

No porn and general indifference to gaming. The tech is really cool, but I still don't know what this thing is for .

[–] scarabic 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The Apple Watch was the same. “But why do I need it?”

In the business we know that greatness comes from iteration and time. Apple doesn’t give a single shit whether this first release is all that and a bag of chips. In fact I think the crazy pricing is deliberate - to set expectations that this is not a mass market device quite yet and it will take some iteration and development to make it great.

I keep seeing “people won’t buy it because it’s too expensive” listed as a con for this device and I’m just like LOL dude that is the whole point.

This is a Tesla Roadster. Expensive as shit and impractical. Also revolutionary technology and the basis for much more in the future.

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[–] beefcat 5 points 9 months ago

If you read the article, this has nothing to do with porn.

The built-in video player doesn't support SBS 3D video, but third party apps do.

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[–] alienanimals 24 points 9 months ago

Why are journalists today so terrible at their jobs? The entire article is wrong. It's just clickbait. Fuck Jason Koebler

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

"Freedom from porn" as ol' Steve put it. I'm surprised that Apple users are surprised.

[–] Ghostalmedia 7 points 9 months ago

Apple will do what it always has done. All the media players and let the user add whatever content they want. It’s been this was for years on iOS and iPad OS.

There is no shortage of media players that will play nudie vids in codecs that QuickTime doesn’t support out of the box.

It’s a v1 product. Apple is banning VR porn, it just doesn’t have a massive app ecosystem yet. The product is days old and has a small market.

[–] _number8_ 9 points 9 months ago

honestly i have an oculus and simply blowing up a standard 16:9 video works perfectly fine

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm worried that I'm the first person to state that there is a paywall (asking for an e-mail address), and can somebody post the actual article so I can read it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We don't read the articles. Most of the time it's just some AI generated crap and all the filler is in the headline anyway, or indeed pay/privacy-walled off like this one.

Here's a free one though.

https://kotaku.com/apple-vision-pro-vr-price-porn-nsfw-1851227294

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Thank you.

The kotaku article points out this is just an initial compatibility issue:

404 Media points out that Apple started supporting WebXR (an application programming interface (API) used for VR and AR devices) on its in-house browser Safari back in 2022, and the Vision Pro supposedly supports that API. But perhaps there aren’t too many VR porn app makers optimizing vids for the less popular browser.

So give it a few weeks, VR porn fans. Redditors have already reported some success in rejigging the advanced Safari settings on their Vision Pro, and, as 404 reports, one person “has been downloading WebXR clips and converting them into formats that can be played through the Vision Pro’s Files app and is sharing them on a dedicated Discord.” Though the videos are reportedly not that great (there are issues with the aspect ratio and with clips not feeling like a proper 180-degree fuckfest), VR porn beggars cannot be VR porn choosers.

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