Chris Christie can go pound sand, but I really enjoy him saying how it is with Trump.
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Yeah, it's a bit like Godzilla. You don't want him stomping around your downtown area but it's still good to watch him fuck up Mothra
I am sick and tired of seeing other Republicans being the ones willing to roast Trump the most.
This is like The Lincoln Project all over again. They produced those vicious attack ads against Trump in the previous election. The problem with them is simply the fact that TLP is a right-wing political group.
Why aren't liberal and moderate groups willing to go on the offensive and attack Trump and the rest of the GOP? The Left in this country is spineless. They should be attacking Trump non-stop, but also attacking all these other Republicans. Guys like Christie are positioning themselves as less-abrasive alternatives to Trump even though deep down, they are still pieces of shit like all Republicans. They still believe in the same awful policies that have led this country to the terrible position it is in now. But with all that, Democrats are not able or willing to go on the offensive and attack these clowns. We have to rely on right-wing groups like TLP or in this case Christie to attack Trump. These people are honing their skills in attacking Trump but at some point they will turn their attacks toward Biden and other Democrats. I am so sick and tired in seeing Democrats being cowards.
The logic goes during the primary and even during the general election, Dems attacking Trump drives more supporters to him. Having it come from inside the party diffuses the tribalism. Once the general campaign starts, I agree, Dems should sling mud, because mud slinging works.
They shouldn't be attacking ONLY Trump. This is an endless problem with Democrats. They are never willing to go on the offensive against ALL Republicans. This is why even after some horribly unpopular Republican presidents, come the next election, the GOP is just as electable as they were before. It's because Democrats don't tie these awful right-wing policies and endless corruption as being endemic of all Republicans.
The flip side is that Republicans never miss an opportunity to demonized Democrats. They never miss a chance to rile people up against all Democrats.
You may hate republican politicians (as I do), but you have to admit they've been extremely successful at coordinating attacks against a single thing at a time. It's all in on hate against one thing, then the next. They're very good at mobilizing their followers' anger and keeping it focused on exactly what they want it focused on.
Meanwhile, there are like a hundred things that democrats want to get done and prioritizing any of it has proven really difficult. Diverse social policy is so much harder to advocate for across a large group than hate against a singular target.
Oh absolutely. Republicans are worthless pieces of human garbage, BUT they are both well coordinated and know exactly how to speak to their base to get them riled up. This is how they get results.
Democrats are like wrangling cats. Democrats are more willing to attack their own than to attack the common enemy (i.e. the GOP). Republicans are focused on a few key issues and they are willing to take years and years to finally get their way (look at RoevWade). Democrats are all over the goddamn place, have zero focus and unless their candidate can get them the results they want in a few weeks into their term in office, they quickly lose interest.
Also Dems are god awful at communicating with voters. They have no clue about messaging - the economy is shockingly strong, wages have had their largest gains in decades, interest rates are still at historic lows, the unemployment rate is at unfathomably low levels, and lots of manufacturing is coming back to the US, and yet even with all that Dems are constantly moping about the economy and not selling the successes of this administration. Contrast that with when George W Bush had that "Mission Accomplished" banner made just a few months into the Iraq war - a war that lasted years and years after W's speech.
I have nothing good to say about Republican policies, and yet their tactics are usually brilliant. On the flip side, I agree with most Democratic policies, and yet their tactics are utterly clueless as well as spineless. It is infuriating to watch.
No idea what you're going on about there, because I've seen many Democrats / liberals shitting on trump constantly for years now. It has been prevalent enough to generate the "Orange Man Bad" meme-reactions from trumptards who didn't want to comprehend the factual criticisms.
Yeah, like who?? We're not talking about random Joe Citizen tweeting some joke about Trump's skin color. If you think memes by some 16 year old online is the same thing as a governor of a major industrial state, then boy oh boy are we not on the same page.
What elected Democrat routinely goes on the offensive? Thank jebus for AOC and Sanders (who isn't even technically a Democrat) as the very few voices of elected Democratic officials who have the balls to go out there and attack Republicans. Newsom is a fairly new, and very welcome, addition to elected officials from the Left who are willing to go on the offensive, and there are a few others, but they are a very small group.
Newsom is a fairly new, and very welcome, addition to elected officials from the Left
Dems aren't leftists. They are centrists. Bernie is a leftist. AOC sometimes seems like a leftist. Newsome (my governor) is not a leftist, even if I think he's not terrible.
OK great, so be sure to complain about these people because they are ever so slightly too liberal or every so slightly less liberal than what you want, and completely disregard the Red Menace. Fantastic. This is the endless bickering that happens on the Left that is just to utterly exhausting and results in nothing ever getting accomplished. Don't look at the fucken fascists that are trying to take over and instead complain because Democrats are a little too centrists.
I completely agree. However, the reality is, the people that should be listening to Christie right now, are very clearly and deliberately not listening to him.
According the conservative talk radio I overheard the other day, Christie was being lambasted for being a "fat, butterball, beached whale" and was being lumped in with all the RINO's, Never-Trumpers, Democrats, Liberals and whoever else has now sworn absolute fealty to Trump and thus to be shamed, attacked and most of all ignored.
It was interesting that Christie was being attacked for his weight, but I guess some sort of moral consistency is not really all the important.
just want to add, that every single conservative I know personally has been shitting on Christie and saying they have always despised him.
Christie is on the warpath for Trump. Trump gave him covid while Christie was helping him prepare to debate Biden; Trump didn't tell anyone he had tested positive.
Christie was hospitalized and in intensive care for a week. Iirc he was in the hospital for a month total. He was so sick, at one point he said his goodbyes to his wife.
When Trump finally called Christie in the hospital, he didn't ask how he was doing or anything, he just told Christie not to tell anyone he gave him covid.
So now Christie is PISSED and wants to tear Trump down.
(Source: James Carville on the Hacks on Tap podcast, 6/27/23)
Christie is horrible, especially for supporting Trump in the first place, but he can think on his feet and whip out some zingers. Pass the popcorn, I'm here for it.
I am so on board with all of this delicious infighting from the right
Won't matter mate. As soon as the primaries are done, they'll all change their minds and kiss the ass of whoever got the votes.
I will never forget how the entire republican primary consisted of all of them basically forecasting the future under him while he's just sitting there being a dumb, smug fuckface shit talking all of them, Christie included then turned around and kissed his ass thankfully, gluttonously, with absolute enthusiasm for 4 years. Christie included.
What an appalling shit show.
Actual and factual 🫠
In previous episodes..
Hmm that would probably be the take trump would prefer over the selling secrets for billions
I don't doubt this is a part of the reason. Maybe not the whole reason, but it's dumb and petty enough to be believable
maybe it was a small part, but it would be pretty naive to think that it was a significant part. he’s not kid ourselves— trump waned to somehow profit from his possession of these documents and very likely did. any other reason certainly revolves around pettiness and bitterness over losing, but his playing make-believe and boosting his own sense of self-importance would have been pretty low on his list priorities of keeping them, especially at the end, certainly below his overinflated sense of entitlement.
and that’s exactly what I think Christie is— naive... that, and obviously attempting to get a rise out of Trump, which, as we all know, is pretty easy to do.
Make no mistake, Christie is not even remotely naive. He is being deliberately disingenuous to downplay the severity of the situation.
Make no mistake, Christie is not even remotely naive
given his past behavior, especially regarding trump, I really don’t know how you can say this with a straight face.
This take lets TFG off the hook for charges of treason and espionage. I don’t buy it.
Christie is still a Republican, just an old-school one. he knows how to pull his punches, unlike MTG who just paid the price for her lack of decorum, at last.
no, he still violated the espionage act, that's a fact
He said it was "ego," not that he was delusional. TFG knows he isn't president, but he wants the papers to make others think that he is.
How brave of Christie to stop tongue cleaning Trumps ass the moment Trump ceased to become a useful tool.
He's just resting his tounge in case Trump gets the nomination again, in which case it's back to work.
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oh, come now, the call themselves Nazis...
they call themselves domestic terrorists
With a special stage design!
https://forward.com/culture/465017/the-cpac-stage-was-shaped-like-the-othala-runewhich-is-what/
The law doesn't care if you want to pretend you are still president.
And what sounds like infighting or a slight is in fact defense, Christie towing more line yet again. Trump and Co knew the value of those documents. Those were bargaining pieces to take with him on his way out, as he was losing power and his access to more documents. "Pretending he's still president", yeah, like the time he withheld support to Ukraine in exchange for investigation of his opponent! Holding on to top secret documents wasn't for ego, it was for favors. DJT thought those documents might be get-out-of-jail-free cards. The irony being they may now cost him jail time.
This is a strange take from Chris Christie. Maybe Chris pretends he is President? Then again, Trump doesn’t seem like he’s got it all together.
This is still the most plausible explanation. For Trump’s entire life he wanted to be with the “in” crowd. One of his first things he did when he ran for president was publicly whining to Obama that he deserved secret service agents even though he was like a year ahead of the primary, and eventually Obama relented and said to give him some.
He couldn’t sell secrets because he frankly is too stupid to figure out how.
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