Yep, this is why I lost faith in these giant tech companies, my next phone will be Fairphone
this post was submitted on 26 Jan 2024
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I'm waiting for a fairphone with a headphone jack and then hopping on that.
Oh, the headphone jack... using a phone without it is so counter productive and annoying, wait for the phone to fully charge, now wait for your headsets to charge too, I don't know why we're moving backwards π
I used to feel this way until I realized that a large percentage of phone users rarely used earbuds or headphones, including myself. Wired earbuds were a pain in the ass, nobody wanted to carry a coiled up cable in their pocket all day. But a little clamshell with a couple small buds in it fits pretty well into a jeans pocket. Once wireless earbuds hit the market, everyone started using them for a reason.
The only real argument for an analog headphone jack at this point is audio fidelity, and if you care about that you're 1, not using your phone with a cheap DAC to do it and 2, your headphones probably use a 1/4" jack not a 3.5mm one. Wireless protocols are also catching up to analog as far as audio quality as well, and most people expect IP68 from a good phone these days, and you're not getting that with a 3.5mm audio jack or removable battery.
The consumers who care about an audio jack on phones these days are a very vocal minority.
They were no more of a pain than fishing out a wireless holder, and they took up even less space. The reason people used wireless was because manufacturers stopped giving people the option to use wired. That being said, having a headphone jack still lets you use wireless.
And nobody actually uses wired for audio quality, they use it because they don't have to charge their headphones and separate headphone case or deal with the health of another battery, they can connect and disconnect their audio devices faster and easier, they don't have to pay for an extra wireless chip and dac in their headphones or a third battery and electronics in a case.
There's actually quite a few good reasons to have the option available if you want it. I'd argue this is a "dress with no pockets" scenario, where everybody begrudgingly puts up with it because the manufacturers don't give them an option.
Pretty much every single person i talk to about this thinks that removing the headphone jack was a stupid idea, and those who don't think it's stupid are indifferent anyway.
Galaxy S5 was IP67 with a headphone socket, removable battery and dedicated microSD card slot. Others have also existed. Taking like adding a headphone socket costs more than 5 cents is stupid.
I'm a Bluetooth buds convert now, but I'd still like the choice.
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Wired earbuds were a pain in the ass, nobody wanted to carry a coiled up cable in their pocket all day. But a little clamshell with a couple small buds in it fits pretty well into a jeans pocket.
Lmao what??
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Did everyone forget that Galaxy S5 exists with headphone jack, removable battery and water resistance?
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Whole disagreeing with you on usefulness of the jack, I will still point out one correction.
The USB c standard actually includes analog audio pin outs. So fidelity wise there's no difference between using the adapter vs a 3.5mm jack.
However, since the removal of the jack, most phones have really skimmed down the dacs. Makes me miss my LG v40.
Exactly. If anything, I'd much rather like to see a secondary USB-C port, preferably on top of the device. That would be an actual benefit for almost everyone.
The point is that their earbuds are absolutely non repairable, and admittedly so. Really hope they can improve that, but I think they might just discontinue the earbuds in favour of repairable headphones.
Do you really consider the $5 wired earbuds that came with the phone, the ones most people used, were repairable? Nah, they were way more disposable than even cheap wireless buds are these days.
Well, FairPhone also had wired earbuds where you could replace the wires, which is the main reason people throw away wired earphones.
Ooof really? That's a shame. The wired earbuds seemed cool.
@jol wait... this site';s layout is confusing...
I meant fairphone discontinued their controversial bluetooth in-ears. Wired in-ear headphones in general are having a bit of a renaissance with so called "chi-fi". Chinese brands launched after 2015, that sound great for $20-$50. Check out Crinacle's youtube channel
Honestly the only place I still use wired is my 3DS, not the most hi-fi system.
That's what these are for
They are also available in a few different shapes that may work better depending on device and user preferences and cost like 2-6 bucks on Ali. I use a different one with my steam deck that also has a little U adapter that 180s the plug direction and braces it against the back so it doesn't torque off if I rotate the device in my hands.
Having a jack entirely avoids the introduced problem by only having a USB port. Ie. Dongles
I'm waiting for one with a good camera.
@cyberpunk007 @fubbernuckin
the FP5 has a good sony camera. I've seen people install the pixel Gcam app for the extra post-processing
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This shit should be illegal.
I miss ownership of things that I paid for.
Unlock tool is unavailable at this moment but we are allowing the possibility to unlock, please stay tuned
One year later, radio silence
So it was a lie to not lose potential sales in short term while destroying credibility in long term?
So it was a lie to not lose potential sales
It's sad, but only too tiny fraction of the phone buyers care about unlocking the bootloader for the company to be economically meaningful to care about.
And eventually, Google will drop this feature for the Pixel as well. You can bank on it. An unlockable bootloader adds absolutely nothing of value to these companies because it slows down year to year buying from consumers and isn't as profitable. It is from their perspective, counter productive to leave this feature enabled. So this isn't surprising in the least, tbh.
Asus and Google used it to bait enthusiasts and as soon as they established a user base they were comfortable with, they will remove it. If the phones stop selling, they will simply stop making them. It's that simple. You keeping your phone updated and feature packed for several years is not how they intend to allow the market to stray.
They want year to year sales above all else. An unlockable bootloader negates that for the majority of those who buy phones with that feature.
Already dropped on pixels sold by Verizon π’
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I really wanted a zenfone 10 but purposefully avoided it hearing about the removal of the unlock tool. This is very unfortunate they are going this direction and doesn't even seem like they have a good reason or understand how this actively hurts users.
One of the many reasons I stick with Pixels. Best security combined with friendliest 3rd party OS support.
I was looking for a new smartphone. I'm also for many many years a custom ROM user. The last moves from multiple manufacturers nearly oblige me to get a pixel.
I got a nothing phone 2 over a pixel and zenfone, sounds like they allow bootloader unlocking. Enjoying the phone so far
one of us should make an android phone company that makes a phone with an open source default rom, unlockable/relockable bootloader, headphone jack with a proper DAC, ir blaster, no notch or punchholes (like the note9), latest spec of USB for the port and latest Snapdragon chip
And front facing speakers!
Idk what Samsung did on the S21, but it's the first time I've been impressed by the speakers on a phone. The separation of audio channels is wild
From a fellow s21 owner, I've used the built in speakers more than any other phone I've ever owned whenever not using a headset. Between it and the 100x camera I refuse to upgrade.
I wish I grabbed the ultra. Maybe I still should.
I went from the S8+ to the S21. Night and day difference, obviously. But the S8+ did everything I needed. It was the same size with a better camera and battery.
Sony is fairly close
Except in the US's version they for some reason won't let you unlock it.
Great job losing a sale Sony.
Indeed, but I guess for most pricing might be an issue
nooo one of the main reasons i got this damn phone was the unlockable bootloader :(
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