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[–] FraidyBear 145 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I work at Apple in the Apple Care department, but not for the Apple Care yalls moms call for help. This has been happening for literally years and I've spoken about it before but no one really took it seriously but now here we are. We were told that we be in a hiring freeze for the foreseeable future and that hiring and promotions would only happen onsite. If we wanted to be promoted we needed to move to Austin or San Fran, the two most expensive cities in the country with no guarantee of a promotion, on our own dime, knowing we won't make a living wage there. Keep in mind that this meeting was being given to a massive department who's main workforce is and has always been WFH.

[–] Mog_fanatic 50 points 9 months ago

This type of crap should be mega illegal. I feel like I see this all the time. I don't know how you would ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are actually "laying people off" tho which I presume means it's unfortunately gonna stick around as a method for companies to avoid severance which sucks.

Also, not for nothing but San Fran and Austin are definitely not two most expensive cities in the country. San Fran is kinda up there. Maybe like top 5 in some lists. I legitimately couldn't find Austin in a single one but I only checked up to like the top 25 or 30 cities.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hiring freeze? I had an Apple recruiter reach out to me just a couple weeks ago. That's in EU though. They weren't happy that I was not willing to relocate for them.

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[–] Crack0n7uesday 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't worry, Texas has importing tech workers since around COVID and it's only a matter of time until they import enough new voters to fundamentally change laws down there...

[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I worry that tech bros who live in Texas will be way more susceptible to the ancap mind virus than they are now

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Tech workers are not the same thing as tech bros. Musk is a tech bro and would be incapable of working as a tech worker.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

as a tech worker, a lot of us think we are tech bros.

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[–] NightAuthor 46 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Not if they keep up with their gerrymandering, it’d take a shit load of tech bros to counteract gerrymandering.

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[–] Jimmycakes 39 points 9 months ago

They are just a small startup they can't afford to pay 121 people on their meager earnings. Hell they can't even afford to update their phone design in 3 years.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Former Apple employee (retail, then corporate). I'm shocked that Tim Cook, an out gay man, would allow such a move. Texas is a hellhole. This is bullshit. Fuck Apple for this one.

[–] TheLowestStone 51 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You think Tim Cook, billionaire CEO of a wildly anti-consumer company, gives a shit about anyone but himself?

I've got a bridge to sell you.

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[–] SasquatchBanana 42 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He is a capitalist billionaire which means he has more allegiance with $$$

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

He's got his. He doesn't give a fuck about other gay people. He'll be fine.

[–] TheGrandNagus 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I've met multiple out gay people who aren't LGBT friendly (or, more commonly, aren't 'BT' friendly) even without the profit motive of being a piece of shit like Tim Cook has.

Being LGBT certainly makes you more likely to take progressive attitudes, but it far from guarantees it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Money and greed overrides any sort of class or queer solidarity

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

A capitalist is a capitalist first, a capitalist second, a capitalist third, and then everything else he is after that. He'd sell the blood of his fellow queers if he thought he could turn a profit.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The US jurisprudence of take the plea deal or face excessive charges seems to have found a home up Tim Cook's asshole.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Otherwise known as constructive dismissal. Nasty. But hey, everyone wants that new iPhone amiright?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

And apple made, like, almost $100B profit last year. It's not like they can't make their crappy stuff if they don't lay off those 100 or so people.

[–] EnderMB 32 points 9 months ago

Sadly, most tech companies are doing this, and they're doing it in a way that frames it as you volunteering to leave, resulting in people losing their job and being able to claim unemployment benefits.

Given how shit the job market is for certain roles (recruitment, especially), it's a horrid thing to do.

[–] FlyingSquid 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is it surprising that Apple, like every giant tech company that is way too big, treats its employees like shit? Do we think Google and Microsoft don't treat employees in a similarly shitty way? Or even any other huge company?

I have no love for Apple, but it seems like OP thinks this is something that makes Apple special. I mean single out Apple for shit like their products being overpriced or their notebooks not having enough RAM for their OS unless you want to pay a premium. This is just (really unfortunately) typical of modern late-stage capitalism.

[–] TargaryenTKE 19 points 9 months ago

First, I think it has more to do with OP reacting to the article they linked rather than searching for bad things Apple specifically has done. Second, we can talk about shitty Apple products or policies for ages, but this action in particular isn't like 'Oh no, the first-gen AR/VR goggles I bought for $4,000 aren't making the world literally Ready Player One'. No, this is (one of many) business decision that is directly fucking over their own employees in ways that are threatening to their entire livelihoods; 'Either uproot your lives and move hundreds of miles away to a place statistically less safe for most of you, or you're fired'

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

is there any case law on whether forced RTO or RTO with relocation counts as constructive dismissal for unemployment purposes?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If this forces you to quit, would it be an option to start initialing a union to get fired, instead of quitting? Forcing them to pay compensations that might be in your contract. Or would this be a bad idea with regard to the references in your résumé? (I'm not from the US.)

[–] EnderMB 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Sadly, there is a HUGE anti-union sentiment in tech, almost to a religious degree. I don't think the tech industry is smart enough to unionise, similarly to the video game industry, who have dealt with equal amounts of shit, yet still plug away in horrible conditions.

With that being said, while I think unions should exist in tech, I truly believe that the likes of Apple and co would gladly kill off 100k jobs and delay launches, if it means killing off union efforts. For it to be effective, it would need to be internationally recognised, have a large enough number of people to make mass firings near impossible without significant business harm, and be solely tied to minimum income equity.

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[–] PanArab 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You’d think a highly profitable company like Apple wouldn’t do this, but yet they do. Absolutely abhorrent

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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