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Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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[–] saltesc -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's naive. I think because you're taking a rather shallow capitalism vs communism stance, not understanding all the capitalist traits your homo sapiens with communist traits had.

None-the-less, you've deviated far from the main point and referring to known prehistoric eras before the concept of the topic was conceived is not where I thought this could even go.

You're also referring to negative byproducts of capitalism as "ideas" of it. There are few social or economical isms that have byproducts holding true to the ideas and intent. That's my point. Human nature often ruins great ideas and why communism has yet to show any success. We have many great ideas on paper, but they don't factor human nature.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, if we look at humans as a species then obviously the greater part of that is prehistorical. Clearly our "nature" is not incompatible with collectivism when looking at small communities and groups.

However, I think you have a point when it comes to more complex societies with increasingly larger populations, which, as a rule, have tended to form hierarchical class systems that are antithetical to collectivist ideals.

So we could say that humans have historically been fine with communism up to a certain point. It's when they start to form nation states and larger communities that societies have generally gravitated towards hierarchy and plutocracy, for whatever reason.

[–] saltesc -1 points 7 months ago

Exactly that. And as I said, it's not just for communism, this goes for most ideologies that influence society.

I think greed and power are the biggest kickers. These two seem to come as a way to ensure survivability in a large population. But it's of no benefit in a small community where everyone's acknowledged.