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Because chants of death to America isn't about destroying the system. It's about killing the people. How you don't get the difference is odd.
Not this again. This is based on the original Persian, which is a mistranslated figure of speech. In Persian language it means down with America, it’s not talking about actual deaths. In Persian, they even say death to potatoes.
One constructs a message for the recipient.
If you say "death to America", to Americans, in America, knowing full fucking well that it will be interpreted as "death to America", then I hate to break it to you, you ARE saying "death to America".
Only if done in the recipient’s language.
When Bush said there should be a crusade against terrorism, it’s not his fault if the Arabic speaking media used the word for the historic Crusades.
And as for the chanting in Dearborn, it was one nut job chanting and everyone from the mayor to president Biden condemned it.
No. If I know full well how my message will be received, it's irrelevant. Language is a construct for communication, it isn't intrinsically the transference of ideas. If I blabber or gesticulate anything knowing that it will be received to mean X, then I have knowingly and intentionally communicated X.
It ABSOLUTELY was the fault of his administration: when you're communicating to a global audience, which he was doing, you pay a TON of people to avoid making exactly this kind of error.
And while I agree that ignorance when individuals make this mistake is understandable, as soon as it's been pointed out... If you keep doing it, it's no longer a mistake, it's intentional.
That's fair. I'm not implying it isn't.
All I'm saying it's childish to say something that you know will be interpreted. It'd be like me saying the argument was "retarded", and then if saying "As someone who is bilingual, I was using the french word".
If you think they're literally calling to kill over 300 million people, I have great news about potential crypto and NFT investments for you.
It's almost like the mainstream media deliberately doesn't give a voice to people outside of a very narrow (and shrinking) Overton window.
Edit: honestly having trouble imagining how absolutely stupid someone has to be to downvote this lol. Guess I need to make a cryptocurrency lol.
This is the same thinking that people saying that if the roles were reversed between Palestinians and Israel, that Palestine wouldn't wipe out Israel... religious hate, especially Islam, knows no peace.
Especially? Come on. There’s 2 billion Muslims out there and Muslim majority countries have a lower murder rate than non-Muslim majority countries. Get out of here with your bigoted stereotypes.
Yes, I forgot how the majority Muslim nations, don't rape their women, have honor killings for their women, murder anyone who is LGBTQ+ and enjoy stoning people still.
I mean hell I remember when I was in the EU the last time and they had a stoning...o wait...
Christian-majority countries don’t rape? Oh honey, you have a lot to learn about the world.
Jamaica and Uganda have the worst murder rates of LGBT in the world, what religion are most Jamaicans?
You’re overgeneralizing billions of people with false stereotypes. Majority of the world’s 2 BIllion Muslims live in democracies. Most of those democracies have elected women as presidents and prime ministers, has America yet? Stop insisting your stereotypes are real and actually go and see the world and check. You’ll find out you’re wrong.
They're not raping people for a religious reason. I don't know how you're not getting that.
I've been to most of the world, Islam is the most violent religion in the modern world. Stop acting like it's not.
NOBODY is raping people for a religious reason. No country legalizes that, not even the Taliban. Is that what you think is happening? No wonder you’re insisting on such blind hate. Please educate yourself. Peace.
Lol who said they're doing it legally....holy crap you're reading into your own bias. Stop acting like Islam is somehow not a religion with a ton of violence that's done with its name.
I don’t know if people like you are ignorant or just stupid, I’ll assume the former.
You do realise that calling any group of people the same the same things is actually insane.
Like all cyclists are murders because I saw a cyclist kill someone once. Or all Americans are murders because the government killed people (arguably more people killed by this Christian government than any other). All white men are rapists because look at all the cases.
Every religion has barbaric stuff in there. Go read a book or something and stop yelling at clouds bro.
Please provide sources of other religions honor killings or rapes outside of the norm. Yes a ton of bad has happened in the past with other religions, but we're not talking about the past, we're talking about the present. Stop acting like Islam is a religion of peace. It's not.
I pity you living in fear like you do mate and I hope one day you can find some solace.
Have a nice day.
Uhh who said I live in fear. I don't live in a little bubble like you two seem to be doing but w/e.
Dude I live in Manchester. We’ve been bombed twice and had a riots once whilst I’ve been here.
Still don’t believe one group of people are terrorists. First time we were bombed was the IRA actually.
Ok and what does that have to do with the point that Islam as a religion is more violent than any other religion in the modern day?
Strange that the most violence comes towards those nations. From either the USA to Iraq and Afghanistan or Irsael to Palestine.
To reiterate none of any group are all the same. I could argue all people on lemmy are idiots after interacting with you, but alas I won’t do that.
Nice whataboutism... seriously you're delusional if you think that islam doesn't produce more violence than any other group.
Every religion and every ideology and political party has extremists, but they’re condemned by the mainstream. It’s a problem with humanity. Your community has extremists too but I don’t define you by it. If you take 2,000,000,000 people of course you will have Nobel Prize winners and a few violent criminals, but trying to tar us all with the same brush is a pretty high level of bigotry.
When you have 2,000,000,000 people, everything happens at a high level. The number of rapes in China is crazy high compared to America because of how big of a population difference there is. Your problem is you assume that this is somehow condoned instead of being a literal CRIME in every single Muslim country. You will not find a Muslim leader who defends killing women. If you cannot see logic past your bigotry then I can’t help you. Peace.
No it's not, because you're not looking at the ratio to population.
Since you seem to think that it's not a problem.
https://bmcinthealthhumrights.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12914-019-0215-5
Just FYI it's widely known that honor killings really don't get reported and neither do spousal rape.
You’re showing me an ARAB problem. Not all Arabs are Muslim, and 10% of Muslims are Arab.
If you check the prevalence of spousal abuse in a place like Syria, you’ll see that Muslims are no better or worse than Christians or Druze. FGM is actually more common among non-Muslims than Muslims in most African countries. The list goes on.
Stop blaming all Muslim and a religion for what is clearly a cultural problem.
So you didn't even check the paper....got it.
I did and you seem unwilling to acknowledge its flaws. I can’t help you.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/07/honour-based-abuse-in-england-increases-60-in-two-years
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/31/honour-based-offences-soared-by-81-in-last-five-years
That's in England alone.
What flaws does that study have? The only one is that it lacks proper reporting because it's widely known that a lot of spousal abuse goes unreported in these countries.