Anecdotally I have seen Marxist-Leninists calmly arguing in politics communities banned for being "tankies." I will admit, I do not have any examples on-hand.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

So do they regularly do this, or is it a thing you've seen anecdotally?

And if the thing they were calmly arguing was genocide denial, then the ban was warranted. The tone is not the only thing that matters.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if someone defended nazis with "they were calmly denying the Holocaust". I've seen far too many tankies denying the Uyghur genocide every chance they get. Like you say, it doesn't matter the tone; genocide denial is itself a line you don't cross.

[–] TokenBoomer -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can’t find a reputable international human rights organization that calls it a genocide. Human Rights violations, sure. Crimes against humanity, maybe, but not genocide.

The U.N. rights council on Thursday voted down a Western-led motion to hold a debate about alleged human rights abuses by China against Uyghurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang in a victory for Beijing as it seeks to avoid further scrutiny.

The defeat - 19 against, 17 for, 11 abstentions - is only the second time in the council's 16-year history that a motion has been rejected and is seen by observers as a setback to both accountability efforts, the West's moral authority on human rights and the credibility of the United Nations itself. Source

If it’s a genocide, why hasn’t it been taken to the International Court of Justice?

An alternative route is provided by the International Court of Justice, as highlightedby the Uyghur Tribunal, which stated: “It is unfortunate that no efforts have been made by those [countries who declared China to be perpetrating genocide in Xinjiang] or other countries to have the issue dealt with at the ICJ, as might happen if a country had the courage to take the matter there.” Source

[–] force 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

A majority of the countries that voted with China on that attempt were/are extremely tied to China and heavily economically reliant on China, and upsetting China enough means a potential economic crisis.

(UNCTAD & World Bank)

(note that Venezuela actually imported more from China than the US in 2020 according to some sources)

It only makes sense for them to not vote against China, no matter their actual crimes, it would be biting the hand that feeds them. It's a similar reason as to why almost no country officially recognizes Taiwan as its own country separate from PRC, despite continuing relations with Taiwan and even importing a lot from them.

Of course, EU/NATO/NATO-ish countries don't exactly care as much because their thoughts on China have long been established, China economically relies on them to a large extent, and they don't have as much to lose if China hypothetically did get a bit angry at them. The richer ones also have very low risk of actual "consequences" when criticizing the US so they tend to do it quite a lot, but here they seem to be in agreement.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 7 points 7 months ago

Exactly. When the accused has paid off half the jury, you shouldn't put much stock in the verdict.

The only thing I care about when determining whether something is a genocide is the facts of the case (which are overwhelmingly in favor of describing the Uyghur genocide as a genocide), not the outcome of a highly political vote by countries all with their own motives and interests.

[–] TokenBoomer -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It’s almost like it would be geopolitically in America and Europe’s interest to over exaggerate a humanitarian crisis in China. And for China to minimize the cultural impact it’s policies have on the Uyghurs.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago

I dont have data on it, sorry to say.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I do. I had a post removed from political memes because apparently people didn’t like the fact that a Nazi was made a chairman in NATO. Adolf Heusinger

[–] SkyezOpen 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We know that, it's the implication that that somehow justifies Russia invading Ukraine is what makes you a tankie.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That was never brought up in the post or the comments. The post was removed for “misinformation,” when it is completely factual. The commenters first countered that it wasn’t true. He wasn’t actually a Nazi. He wasn’t a chairman. When that failed, they focused on the pedantry of “a” chairman versus “the” chairman. And I guess it was reported and removed.

Just pointing out that the same exclusionary tribalism happens on .world as it happens on .ml and Lemmygrad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And your vague-posting about it gives a fair and balanced account, I'm sure, but if you want to make your case, link the thread, if you think it will vindicate you.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t need vindication. But, have at it, if you have some time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

couldnt_find_post

[–] TokenBoomer -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It was removed. You’ll have to open it in a browser to view.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I did. Any other way to give yourself the vindication that you don't need? It's a shame you don't care about this because otherwise you'd keep replying.

[–] TokenBoomer -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Copy paste works for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because it's your post. It literally says "removed by mod" on that screenshot. Why do you think literally anybody else can see it?

Try logging out or going into private mode and seeing if you can view it.

Also, they didn't go out of their way to ban you for having these opinions. They literally just removed a post. Boo hoo. The mod logs will be visible, and they should state a reason.

[–] TokenBoomer -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I thought I was the only one that could see it. But, I was so eager for vindication. Oh well. Sorry.

I never said I was banned, just that it was removed. And the mod gave misinformation as the reason, but it is 💯 factual. Thanks for your concern though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, we don't know what misinformation you were spreading in that thread because we can't access it, we just have to take your word for it.

And we have access to your comments doing genocide denial in this very post, so I'm afraid I just don't believe you're being 💯 with me, sorry champ.

[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is bordering on schadenfreude. I’m sorry I can’t live up to your unavailable expectations. It’s unfortunate you have no other recourse but to belie my comments and intentions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't see the relevance of schadenfreude, but since you can see it, you realise you can just take screenshots, right? Like seriously, I would be fascinated to see them.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Tap for spoiler

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Is this supposed to be some sort of troll?

EDIT: At this point, you really should just stop replying. Replying with literally nothing is a blatant admission that you have nothing to say, which is to say that you know you were in the wrong and you don't want to admit it.