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[–] nivenkos 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guess who trained those Guatemalan commandos? It was a program run by the CIA out of Border Patrol facilities, largely staffed Border Patrol staff since they could speak Spanish.

So now you have refugees fleeing Guatemala's history of intense violence, being abused at the border and turned away by the very same agency that destabilized their country to begin with.

The US has so much fucking blood on its hands and owes so many reparations to the rest of the world for the damage it's done.

[–] Zippy 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US prosecuted any American citizens involved in this. The US supports many small nations and without that support, many fledgling nations would fully collapse and be far worse off.

I don't live in a world where perfection is possible. In a war torn country, there will always be individuals who will do evil shit. Even on the more good side. Do you think not a single Ukraine soldier has not done something immoral or illegal? Yet we support them.

I wish there were no conflicts in the world but we need to grow up and realize there will be serious misconduct. And that is the cost of trying to encourage stability. The thing I take away from this is that the US did prosecute any of their citizens that were involved in this. As they should.

[–] nivenkos 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think not a single Ukraine soldier has not done something immoral or illegal? Yet we support them.

This isn't the winning argument you think it is...

The US should stop playing world police. And usually it was for propping up United Fruit, etc. with dictatorships, not actually helping those small nations.

[–] Zippy -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think there would be security in the Middle East if the US stepped fully away? It is silly to think Russia and now China would be fully in control of most of those countries as well as South America. I suspect in an alternate universe, the world likely would have experience WWIII by now if the West just let other major powers do what they want.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Do you think there would be as many problems in the Middle East if the US hadn't stepped in there begin with?

I think it's the world superpowers' responsibility to defend us from each other, and especially from the US. They have destroyed so, so many regimes.

And it's ironic that you mention World Wars when both of them started on Western soil between Western countries. It's not obvious to me that what we need is more Western countries.