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[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (3 children)

UBI paid for by liquidating billionaires

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago

UBI paid for by ~~liquidating~~ liquifying billionaires

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

the logistics of this are a little iffy. People don't really melt, they burn

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They don't need to be melted, they can be forced through a fine mesh instead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We need to utilize the expertise of the hydraulic press channel for this task. Spaghettifying billionaires sounds very therapeutic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

You really can justify just about anything when you’re one of the good guys

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

They will be the luckiest of all.

[–] tdawg 1 points 10 months ago

Like that one Pink Floyd music video

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Heat is not the only means of liquidation. If you apply sufficient pressure, they will indeed melt.

[–] Crisps 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Take 1 trillion dollars from the billionaires in total, now distribute 1K to each person each month? Sounds great but you run out of money in only 3 months. Then what?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Enjoy the fruits of liberated market. /s Honestly though you assume that the only value of liquidating assets from billionaires is getting their dollar amounts moved from on bank to another. There is a reasonable assumption that freeing up that capital to be enthusiastically invested or utilized to meet demands would provide more economic growth than it sitting in large hoards being spent in most risk adverse ways or in near total whimsy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is also a reasonable assumption that taking away people’s money would result in a decreased expected value from future money, leading to a decrease in the motivation to produce that we currently enjoy.

Let’s say a person goes from having nothing to having $1M in the bank. How does a person do that? Well, in a free market they do that by providing $1M worth of value to other people.

Should that person, who we know is capable of providing serious value, go on to try to have two million? It would be good for our society if they did, so we’d better hope they do.

But if our history includes a day when all the billionaires had everything taken from them, this means that they now have to ask themselves if there’s any danger of going over the threshold, become “evil” in the eye of society, and stripped of their rights.

Suddenly being rich is quite dangerous. It alters the incentives. Assuming a very straightforward connection between potential reward and motivation, it could be very bad for the economy to liquidate the richest people’s accounts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

It's a fairly ahistorical assumption that wealth accumulattion is done mostly through wealth creation. Anticompetitive practices, rent seeking, and maximize value extraction are all common practices for incumbent market leaders.

You basically create precedent to give away excessive wealth in order to influence it's effects on the world instead of reinvesting it purely in mechasms of control of wealth.

[–] InternetCitizen2 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds great but you run out of money in only 3 months. Then what?

We won't because billonairs don't hold the knowledge to run factories, they just monopolize infrastructure and collect a toll. We won't run out of money because the production is still there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Then maybe our source of money should be that production, and not the personal wealth of billionaires?

Like, if you make a car that runs on diesel, and there’s a gallon of diesel in the world, you’ve made a car with 1 gallon of fuel.

If you make UBI that runs on the contents of billionaires’ bank accounts, and there’s three months’ worth of money in those bank accounts, you’ve made UBI that works for three months.