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Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for the white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I think it's that guys like this one aren't a hill anyone is eager to die on. Like, it's bad, but let's not make this guy the poster boy for ending the practice. There are other cases I'm much happier to cite in arguments opposing the death penalty.

[–] teamevil 60 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps one of the many innocent folks on death row, which includes a not insignificant amount of African Americans too.

But this guy can fuck right off, I am not losing a second of sleep to his suffering.

[–] CleoTheWizard 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am never worried about guilty people on death row. I am worried about those that kill them, those that help kill them, those that witness the killing, and those who believe falsely that this form of justice will heal anyone from harms or prevent future harms.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You forgot to worry about those who are raised in a society where it's okay to kill people for any reason other than preventing another person from being harmed.

[–] Nobody 33 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Even a single innocent person getting murdered by the state makes the practice barbaric. The state is imperfect. It should not have a license to murder.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

We're all in agreement, but as OP said, this
particular person isn't the time to make your stand on. We've all been vocally against the death penalty for a long time, but this specific person is not the one to make an especially strong "this is the line, no further" kind of stand for. I'm against him being killed like I'm against all cases of the government killing prisoners, but I'm also not doing any extra standing up for this particular person.

[–] kameecoding 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So you only stand by your views as long as it's convenient and easy?

I guess the right of attorneys is important but if the state violates his rights to that in this trial then you are not gonna have an issue with that either?

[–] ickplant 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He is standing by his views. Just not going out of his way to defend this person. Let’s see you go to the courtroom and protest this particular guy’s death penalty if you are so dedicated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

If I lived there, I would. Not protesting this shows that you're actually okay with the death penalty, and your typical admonishment of it doesn't reflect your true beliefs.

[–] ByteJunk 0 points 11 months ago

Maybe alienating your allies is why the death penalty still exists

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

who's upvoting this coward bullshit?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People that understand strategy. Rosa Parks wasn't the first person to be arrested for violating the seat law, but she was unimpeachable as a person and made an effective figurehead.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

this particular person isn't the time to make your stand on.

Those of us who are vehemently against the death penalty tend to be vocal about it every time it comes up, not just when it's happening to awful people. It's important to make it clear that even in cases like this, the death penalty should not be a thing, because otherwise we tacitly agree that sometimes, the death penalty is a good thing.

This particular person is absolutely the time to make our stand against the death penalty, because if we don't, then we don't stand against it at all.

[–] Kbobabob -2 points 11 months ago

Do you want judge Dredd instead?

[–] FlyingSquid 19 points 11 months ago

I have a friend who went to protest outside the federal prison when Timothy McVeigh was executed. He had no love for McVeigh. He thought McVeigh was a monster. That wasn't the point. The point was that capital punishment is always wrong. The state should not have the power of life and death over its citizenry.

And I have great respect for him for doing so. Protesting capital punishment in cases like this are just as important as in lesser cases because the reason for the punishment isn't at issue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I’ll be glad when death penalty is abolished. But we’ve still got time till then, and this guy live streaming himself doing the murders doesn’t leave much in the way of wiggle room for innocence.

Gonna be tragic when we learn it was secretly racist nano robots controlling his whole body by time traveling confederates.