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The U.S. will mark the anniversary of the January 6 insurrection on Saturday, a milestone that will confer upon the reality-dwelling citizenry a grim reminder of the potency of propaganda and how quickly it can warp perception when introduced into the public square.

Just three years ago, most of the country watched with dismay and horror as a violent MAGA mob beat back authorities and stormed the country’s citadel of democracy. The Donald Trump-incited crush of disillusioned rioters, fueled by a stream of fantastical lies, believed that the 2020 election had been stolen by sinister forces working to undermine the democratic election.

Of course, not only was their belief flatly incorrect, but evidence later emerged indicating that it was Trump who, in fact, had tried to subvert democracy.

Facts, however, have little bearing on the sentiment inside the Republican Party, which has been fed a steady diet of lies and half-truths by Fox News and the rest of the sprawling right-wing media machine. To wit, the false notion that Joe Biden nefariously stole the 2020 election is now widely shared inside the GOP. A CNN poll conducted over the summer found that nearly 70% of Republicans believe Biden’s win was not legitimate, a number that has continued to tick up.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nothing personal against Mike Pence, but there's a part of me that thinks it would have been better if he'd gotten in that car and been disappeared.

An assassinated vice president would have forced Biden to crack down on fascism harder.

But without effective leadership, the problem's gotten worse.

[–] GroundedGator 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If that has happened, I doubt we would have a president Biden or an upcoming election.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think that's accurate.

Every other aspect of the attack was unsuccessful, and not only that, but pathetically so. But if they'd manage to assassinate a VP, Biden and his administration would not have been able to simply ignore it. They would have had to act, even if it pisses off the billionaires.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Pence stopped Trump’s group delivering the fake electors to steal the election. If Pence disappeared Trump would have never left office.

Pence made the the last minute stand to save our country. Terrible viewpoints and politics, but at the end he did his job

[–] Uglyhead 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because Dan “Potatoe” Quayle told him to not go along with the coup.

Mike fucking Pence and Dan fucking Potatoe Quayle saved our Democracy and the US Democratic Republic.

What a timeline.

Still,.. there are many many timelines where it worked, Trump is the Orange King, and I’m dead now from being put up against a wall; so I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.

[–] GroundedGator 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they would have assassinated Pence on J6, before the certification, someone else would have stepped in, most likely Grassley. He would have accepted the alternate slate of electors and Biden would not be president.

[–] JustZ 1 points 10 months ago

I guess the law says the senate is supposed to choose someone if the vice president is unavailable to access president of the senate.

[–] JustZ 5 points 10 months ago

Man, I had forgotten about that car thing. I don't know. They wouldn't have harmed him. They would have delayed him enough that he couldn't certify the vote. Then Trump had plans to use the military to seize voting machines (after which he would have obviously lied about whatever his goons found).

The Joint Chiefs memo was very comforting regarding the transition but it came on January 12th and cited the Congressional certification in saying "we will evict him with force on January 21." If the certification didn't happen, the transition and the election would have remained uncertain.

I think there is very little appetite in Washington for such uncertainty, but one side of the aisle is treasonous and would gladly acquiesce.