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"But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!"
- 10'ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager
I found since people are used to app stores, I've had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.
I think it's still important to explain the key difference between an "app store" and a package repository: the latter isn't a "store" because everything is free.
True but it helps get the concept across so much.
Thst might change with Flathub's ambitions to become an actual app store though
Did I just heard that right? Flathub wants to charge for software?
Yes. Flathub wants to become a platform where people and companies can sell their software
Well hey, as long as these participating devs maintain that their software remains FOSS, I'd pay up. They do a lot of good work, can't do it all for free.
But Windows does have an app store, and has for ages now.
Yeah but it's awful, and can only install UWP apps which are just plain bad
When is the last time you've used it? Microsoft opened it up and now you can find all types of non UWP apps in it.
Still ass though.
Just install/update App Installer and use winget.
Most of them are, but there are non UWP apps on there too.
Sure, but pretty much every common application most people use is available, which is fine for the majority of people such as OPs mom.
What crap machine are you running? I can open the store on my Surface 3 I've had for nearly a decade.
It can break if you disable telemetry.
I don't think getting instagram, or photoshop off the microsoft store is giving anyone a virus. And I've never gotten a virus from it in the few times I've used it.
Yes, I read that. A couple thousand people out of billions of users were affected, and the problem was resolved. It's really not as big of an issue as you're making it out to be.
Itβs not that good. Itβs ok (especially now that itβs been unshackled from the hell of UWP), but itβs not as good as most Linux options.
For someone like OPs mom it would be more than good enough is my point. She's saying she wished something existed that does indeed exist.
Windows has also had a variety of freeware since before there was never an app store
Of course, and much of it is on the app store now (which I rarely use myself), but for someone like OPs mom who just wants an easy app store, well there is one.
With app images it's easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user
What chmod step?
When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.
Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.
ELF and .sh files need to be set executable,
chmod +x file, before they can be run, unless your DE does that for youDunno about appimages
KDE does exactly like that
(I am using MX Linux)
At least for Ubuntu, you do need to set the permissions of the AppImage before it'll launch.
I still haven't figured out how to make .desktop files work yet.
With file managers, for example in thunar, you can select Properties -> Permissions -> Allow this file to run as a program
also for non-KDE, non-Gnome systems, thereβs appimaged β requires a little more setup, but handles the set executable, automates the AppImage integration (
.desktopfiles and menus), keeps a watch on specific folders for new AppImages, and provides a way to check for updatesI'm saving this. I don't use any appimages (except a cracked Minecraft bedrock launcher but we dont talk about that one), but I'm still going to save this.
I installed Linux a few weeks ago and it was on Tuesday I wanted to add some programs I had installed (it was mGBA and melonDS) to my steam launcher, I went through the hassle of making a . desktop file for both of them (I was dumb and used a Ubuntu based distro, so it installed as a snap, which sucks hard on a hdd) and then it wouldn't launch, I searched up again (I was using chatGPT for all of this, I asked it a lot how to do stuff, it's like this was it's purpose beacuse it always worked first try), did the chmod x+ command and then I was done
Just to see it not launch :/
How do you actually install an AppImage? I figured out how to use them, but not how to install them.
You don't install them. You just give them the permission to run and then run them.
There is no install needed, you can just edit permissions and make the file executable and then when you open it or click it the app runs.
What won't be created by default is an application menu to run it from whatever desktop environment you use. You can create those if you wish. You can create a launcher in the menu manually, or you can use a tool called AppImageLauncher to create these for you.
There's a pretty good explanation here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1311600/add-an-appimage-application-to-the-top-menu-bar
Not to mention Flatpaks.
I still am intimidated by the terminal as I've only had slight experience with CMD
Honestly, if all you've ever experienced in regards to terminals is windows CMD, then you really haven't seen much. I mean that possitively. Actually, it will give you a far worse impression on what using a Linux / Unix terminal can be like (speaking as someone who spent what feel's like years in terminals, of which the least amount in windows CMD).
I suggest to simply play around with a Linux terminal (e.g. install VirtualBox,.then use it to install e.g. Ubuntu, then follow some simple random "Linux terminal beginner tutorial" you can find online).
The Windows Terminal is absolute Garbage. I tried to use it for some very simple stuff and it was such a trash experience. It just feels wrong.
Don't worry about the terminal until or unless you have something to do that needs it, then follow a guide
Incidentally if a guide tells you to run a program in terminal, you can check what that program is supposed to do
Package managers are cool right until the moment you need several versions of the same app or several instances of the same version of the same app. Or something is fatally outdated in the repos. I'll stick to my standalone apps, thanks.
That's gonna be janky on Windows too depending on the app.
Such apps are quite rare.
On the rare occasions that becomes necessary, I would install the additional versions through the package manager β I think that's easy, at least it's easy for different versions of programming language environments
I'd install additional copies of the same software as standalone or I'd run the additional copies in containers β but I can't think of a use case for that that couldn't be served by running the one copy multiple times
If that's a common requirement for you than sure do whatever works for you, I'm more than convinced that Linux has solutions for this, from the top of my head appimages, flatpaks and pkgbuilds. I'm rolling arch without a worry and it's smooth sailing.