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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Are we going to pretend running a command centre out of a school isn't something Hamas would do?

[–] Stanard 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I wouldn't pretend it's not something terrorists would do. I think what people are upset about is more like: let's assume that there is a terrorist HQ being run in a school. Let's also assume their are innocent people of any and all ages in that same school. Finally, let's assume there are only two options to deal with the terrorist HQ (there could be others in reality but for this exercise there are only two options).

Option a) bomb the school, injuring and killing everyone inside. Option b) a specialized operation that will only target the terrorists but may result in casualties to your army.

People, and myself, are upset that the option being chosen seems to overwhelmingly be option a, the indiscriminate injury and death of everyone in the building whether innocent or terrorist. No judge and no jury for anyone involved, only death.

For me at least, this cartoon is not pointing out that terrorists would run an HQ in a school. It's pointing out that currently the IDF cannot, or will not, see past the fact that this is still a picture of a school. It may contain a terrorist HQ, but it's not a building labeled "terrorist HQ" with the sole function of being a terrorist HQ. This is a picture of a school that may also house a terrorist HQ. And that is a very very important distinction that seems to be wildly ignored.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

The problem with this: Option b is not realistically an option. The whole point of Hamas hiding in civilian infrastructure and mingling with civilians is disguise. Or to put it another way: to make option b completely unfeasible. How would you identify Hamas members? Do they wear their bright orange terrorist uniform? Can you spot them by their mean facial expressions? And there is another problem with option b. Civilians in the building naturally do not see the IDF as their saviors from Hamas oppression, so there is a high chance that some of them will suddenly turn into non-civilians. Which leads to an out of control scenario and resulting bloodbath.

Disclaimer: This is not meant as a justification of option a. I'm just pointing out that option b is not a realistic option.

[–] avater 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For option b) you have to get your army to the target. Through terrorists hiding among civilians, through ide's that are hidden along the way, through civilians that do not like you. And if you miraculously survive this march without heavy casualties the Hamas is already gone and hide somewhere else...not to forget the civilian casualties that would happen on the way...

Option b sounds only good on paper...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Hamas wants to lure them into a ground war where they can also ensure the maximum amount of martyred. Hamas is causing these deaths. No one is safe either way. It’s a war zone. Hamas is shooting people that are fleeing.

[–] 100_percent_a_bot 7 points 1 year ago

What tells you that option b wouldn't bring even more death and destruction? Special operations like black hawk down and the storm on faluja were some of the bloodiest parts of the respective wars.

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