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So the Senate statement was against pro-Hamas student groups, not pro-Palestinian groups.
Hamas is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization. Saying you support them is not illegal. Providing any sort of help like donations or actual aid is extremely so.
The greater trend they're trying to track here is cherry picking examples that are less clear cut than the student group chanting "we don't want two states! We want it all! From the river to the sea!"
But this is a uniquely American issue - almost every other country on the planet treats hate speech as illegal.
nobody is pro Hamas, the problem is they're saying that being pro palestine is being pro hamas
If you're just looking for pro-hamas posts, hexbear's got you covered:
https://hexbear.net/post/932642
Try to create a pro-Russian post now, and then explain in the comments that it's not pro-Kremlin.
Yeah, that's fucked up too. People seem unable and unwilling to seperate innocent civilians from atrocious leaders.
This is what happens when you allow corporations and demagogues to take over both politics and media 😮💨
Context matters. If you post something pro-Russian and against the Kremlin in 2020, some people might understand you. But if you do it a week after Bucha, don't expect any support.
Yeah because you're not allowed to distinguish between innocent civilians and the government they have no power to topple unless you time it juuuuust right 🙄
Fuck that. There's never a bad time for speaking up for innocent victims of violence and oppression while condemning the powerful people that kill and oppress them.
My point is: no matter what was the goal of protesters, these protests benefit Hamas. Therefore people participating in it are perceived as pro-Hamas.
They don't benefit Hamas, though. The goal of the protests is an end to immediate hostilities and in the long term a peaceful resolution to the overall conflict.
Both would be ruinous to Hamas and the Israeli war hawks while being beneficial to all of the innocent civilians.
the russian people - much like the people in gaza - aren't the people fighting the war
it's why sanctions never work because they're always passed on to the most vulnerable
it's also the same thing they do every war like during iraq when they said if you're against the war you're worth the terrorists/saddam.
he's not the first to do it but bush definitely set the narrative in the media
Pro citizenry posts are almost never controversial. If you're getting a lot of blowback you may be doing it wrong. Pro fascist government posts, however, will rightly get a lot of pushback if you don't differentiate. It is uncontroversial to support the Russian people, the American people, the Israeli people, the Palestinian people, etc.
Not true. Like most of rest of the government, the Senate don't distinguish between the two, lumping in advocating on behalf of innocent civilians with support of terrorism.
It's the "BDS should be illegal" bullshit all over again 🤬
From the article you clearly didn't read:
Yeah I did. Operative words being WHAT IT CALLED pro-Hamas.
Claiming that them calling every pro-Palestine student group pro-Hamas proves that it's true is some asinine circular logic and/or blind trust that the people in charge are reasonable and unbiased rather than corrupt demagogues with financial ties to the apartheid regime and its PR apparatus.
BDS is and always has been a hate group against Israel. Much like Hamas, they don't care about the Palestinians, but instead just use them for their propaganda.
Gtfoh with that nonsense!
BDS stands for Boycott, Divest, Sanction and is a framework for regular people and companies to avoid accidentally supporting the Israeli apartheid regime, specifically the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
The BDS framework is specifically an alternative to violence and discrimination and other abuse against those that are not at fault.
That you would call that a hate group and even compare it to a terrorist group just proves that you're completely clueless and going by what lying demagogues from both parties tell you.
Yeah yeah, everyone has heard their propaganda. Don't believe all that shit at face value.
Says the unabashed apologist for an apartheid regime 🙄