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BMW Is Giving Up on Heated Seat Subscriptions Because People Hated Them::The blowback worked—but subscriptions for software-based new car features will continue, according to a BMW board member.

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[–] fubo 169 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Did cars peak around 2016? That's when you could get a plug in hybrid, with Bluetooth audio, a rear view camera, but no spyware or mandatory subscriptions. Sure they'd pester you to get SiriusXM but you could just say no.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure I'd agree on no spyware. Systems like OnStar are still tracking locations and are deeply integrated into the car. But at least this is before they subscription-ized basic features.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cars peaked in 2004 or 2005, most cars since then seem to be user data collection engines with wheels attached.

[–] Ton 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Peak car was 1990-1994, largely mechanical, little electronics and reliable as hell. My Merc from that time is built like a tank and everything is screwed together, not glued.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All good until someone smashes into you and you discover how far safety features have come in three decades!

[–] Ton 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course, the biggest security feature is sitting in the drivers seat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assuming you mean that you yourself are a good driver who doesn't get into crashes, that's why I said "until someone smashes into you", as in the crash that is completely out of your control!

[–] Ton 1 points 1 year ago

True, but that you can also largely influence by defensive driving. When I rode 80 tkm a year for 15 years I’ve literally seen everything but was never part of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The 1990 Honda Civic may be the most reliable car of all time. Sadly it's also easily stolen with nothing but a screwdriver, but still!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

early '90s? nah, give me fuel injection, catalytic converter, ABS, and airbags, please

[–] Ton 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, all on board (except for the airbag) in my 1992 Benz.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

2005 - 2018 - Many decent cars were made in this period. Aside from all the pollution. And emissions fraud.

It 's the pinnacle of the small SUV fashion (I like them, sue me) but you could still get sedans and station wagons as well. Mechanical controls still ruled, no single touchscreens. Good audio was the norm, rear cameras not so much but you could get one. Small turbocharged diesels have the best fuel economy possible for a pure combustion engine.

Most importantly no online connection or subscriptions of any kind. I love the idea of electric propulsion. But in the current market it comes with so much undesirable baggage.

[–] mean_bean279 7 points 1 year ago

I think most importantly it was that they often didn’t have an infotainment with everything integrated in it and that regular cars still were mostly using double din head units which are perfect to swap out. It’s a standard that we should have kept but didn’t. ☹️