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Will Bunch expresses what I've been thinking since Trump was elected. American democracy is under attack from within. The fascists who yearn for an authoritarian government in the media are promoting it, and the media who supposedly don't support it fail to recognize it. They are busy trying to follow the political playbook of the 20th century.

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[–] CharlesDarwin 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep. They did next to nothing to really vet him in any way. And so many had a vendetta against the Clintons that they just could not help but try to get their digs in on Hillary and Bill as much as possible, too.

[–] Hazdaz 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yup. Republicans had been building a case against Hillary for some 2 decades. So much so, in fact, that even seasoned Democrats were falling for those attacks against her were ingrained into our pop culture.

Such a shame because she would have made a perfect president. She was a pitbull that was willing to call Republicans on their shit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The same seasoned Democrats that stacked the primaries in her favor? The 2016 election was the first time I had a real voice in an election and it felt like it was just vacuumed away. The candidate who seemed the most appropriate and the most qualified got swept under the rug in favor of the shit-throwers. She wasn’t perfect, she was a better terrible than Trump.

In 2020 the Democrats scrambled for a viable candidate and somehow Joe Biden was the best they could give us, and it was an absolute gamble. His victory in the 2020 election was dangerously overstated and the danger of a repeat of 2016 in 2024 was ignored.

[–] SCB -1 points 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders lost the primary by 3 million votes.

[–] DarthBueller 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was convinced she'd be a neoliberal and would make grand bargains with the GOP like Bill did. Those grand bargains included "welfare reforms" like kicking grandmas out of public housing when their grandkids would deal drugs in their project (like grandmas have the power to control their grown-ass grandchildren). The impacts of Clinton's actions reached FAR beyond his presidency - I was fighting such evictions at Legal Aid during the second term of Bush Jr., evictions that were the result of Clinton's bargain with the devil.

Though you're right, most of the right's anti-Bill Clinton bumper stickers during his 2 terms were actually shots at Hillary Clinton.

[–] Hazdaz -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd bring back the Bill Clinton days in a heartbeat.

ALL politics is about compromise. Anyone that thinks anything can get accomplished in Washington without compromise doesn't understand how our government works. Bill made the right choices the majority of the time and our country and the economy was booming because of it.

[–] DarthBueller 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Compromises that make grandmas homeless are bad compromises. Clinton got away with it because nobody gives a shit about the projects, poor people don't vote, and because black folk have been saying the system is rigged for far longer than literally anyone else. D's don't gain credibility with their ostensible base by stabbing them in the back.

[–] Odd_so_Star_so_Odd 1 points 1 year ago

Probably right, it's unfortunate the people that ran her campaign were idiots and she listened to them.

[–] K1nsey6 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was Hillary Clinton that elevated trump as a pied piper, the media discovered an advertising and viewer gold mine. Had her hubris not gotten involved he may have never become president

[–] Hackerman_uwu 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It takes a special brand of caustic to lose an election to Donald Trump but fuck if the Dems didn’t find someone with just that.

Her televised discussion with those millennials was an exercise in tone deafness (and cringe). Of course she was the better candidate but like it or not: politics is a popularity contest and although he is deplorable to any sane person Trump is loved by inbred Nazis. Hillary is just not likeable. By anyone.

Pray for the day when these circumstances change and the most qualified candidate is always the clear winner but that day is not today.

[–] K1nsey6 2 points 1 year ago

That day won't be come if Dem it's keep casting protest votes against something. They claim a 3rd party vote is a protest vote, but a vote cast in favor of something is not the protest. Voting against something is.

It wasn't just an issue of being unlikeable, we had seen time and time again where the rhetoric conflicts with the action. In the words of James Baldwin 'I can't believe what you say, because I see what you do.'