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cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/my_mouldy_memes/t/310874

THE FUTURE OF FEMINISM
IS ONLY AS POWERFUL
AS THE FUTURE OF ANTI-RACISM
CLEO WADE

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mostly because the roots of every discrimination are basically the same, and if you focus on only one aspect of it, you will not succeed no matter how much progress you think you're making. For example, both racism and misogyny is based on the old entitlement, on the old white men's unearned sense of superiority, and if you don't target that, you will never have an egalitarian society, even if you make them pretend that they aren't overtly misogynistic anymore. It's like TERFs teaming up with white supremacists to harass trans people, only to be incredibly surprised that white supremacists hate women too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda sounds like in that example, the reason for humans that are not white old men to be racist is those white old men. Sorry if I'm being ignorant here, but I always though racism is common among every demographic. I though it's more of a thing that's imprinted onto you and just not challenged because you don't interact with enough people you have prejudices against. I don't want to misrepresent your point, but from what I see, a racist black woman can exist without the white man to be the reason for that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if we were living in the black matriarchy, we would be having a different conversation. But we live in the white patriarchy, so we are having this one.
But regardless, sexism, racism, homophobia, and every other types of descrimination have basically the same root, so there is no real way to get rid of one without getting rid of the rest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, I'm just not that informed on that subject, but what is the same root? The old white men? So if we locked all of them up we would be living in a utopia?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Lmfao, and I get called obtuse... How about do even the most superficial research in to racism and sexism and why they exist before you demand other people do the work for you, that you promptly disregard to continue pushing your own deliberate misunderstanding of the subject you clearly care so little about ? Sealions be sealioning, while those who can spot you miles away and refuse to feed your bullshit get called obtuse...

[–] fkn 2 points 1 year ago

It's more than this. It isn't that there is only a common source. In fact, black women specifically suffer because the source is not single sourced.

To paraphrase, Black women suffer the problems of women, because they are women. They also suffer the problems blacks face because they are black. But they also face problems that only black women face. The source of problems they face as blacks and women individually may well be white men... But they also suffer the inequalities imposed on them by black men, which are different than the inequalities placed on them by white men. And they suffer the what white women impose on them that is different than what is imposed on them by black men.

The problem is that discrimination is multifaceted, and movements that only seek the liberation of one group often harbor the oppressors of another.

A simple, explicit example. J.k. Rowling is a feminist. She is also a terf. She wants the advancement of the people she deems women while simultaneously seeking the exclusion of a group she hates.

More bluntly, there are racists in the feminist movement who want to see black women suffer and those racists are not just white men.