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Thing is, the Asimov Foundation universe could actually fit in the "past" of the Dune universe.
Maybe the robots in Asimov's universe lead to the creation of Erasmus and eventually the Butlerian Jihad.
We do. In some of the set in the same universe novels but not written by Asimov there are references to Brain Fever. A disease that virtually 100% of humans get at least once that makes them dumb for life. All advancement in galactic culture comes from the like 1 out of a million people who were immune.
That would account for Dune. Dune only makes sense if you assume that everyone is stupid and living in a hazy of drugged religious fantasy. Ffs the main power of their space witches is to use a sexy voice. Which everyone knows about! Just put in earplugs or jerk off prior or get gay guys or use deaf people or get straight women before dealing with one. Thousands of years of eugenics defeated by 30 cents of earplugs. Dune everybody!
The witches go around when everyone is still young and tell them to never buy earplugs
It's a forbidden technology, like computers.
It probably is something that freaken dumb as it is Dune. An entire civilization enslaved and broken so inbred monarchy can play with swords. Leave it to those fucking morons to ban gays and women from the military and not discover how to defeat the sexy voice.
Know now that it is the year 18,238 after the great Sunni-Druid Jihad against the water parks. People are enslaved by space-witches that have the power of sexy voice and their halibasters-smegma (ancient swords) are useless.
There. I solved Dune.
You mean the book about a bunch of Muslims who take over the galaxy because they learn Karate?
Whoa,spoilers man!
Not only is there nothing in any the books to even suggest that this is the mechanism by which the Voice works, there is a very prominent scene where the main male character uses the Voice to compel other male characters to do his bidding.
(In fact, in the later books a "corrupt" version of the Bene Gesserit shows up that does explicitly use their sexuality as the source of their manipulation power, and the Bene Gesserit find this absolutely abhorrent.)
Lord, please deliver us from people with really "clever" hot takes that are horribly reductive and strained through the mesh of whatever synonym for "woke" won't get me downvoted.
Can't hear you. I have earbuds I got from the dollar store. You could try explaining it to me again but you might need a thinking-machine to do it with.
Actually even thufir, the mentat aka human computer, didn't know about the voice
That's the plot of Idiocracy
Yeah, no, The Voice isn't sexual... like, at all
I agree. Some shrill inbred witch being a space-karen is not sexy.
Dune only works if you assume that the characters are idiots in a religious-drug filled haze. Now polish your space-sword we have to go fight the 19th Buddha-Jewish jihad against the Space-mushroom eater people under the rule of Space-Baron Singh of the space house whalefurer. They harvest space-fur from space-whales.
I think you may have missed my point
It isn't sexual at all and it isn't meant to be
In the non-canon book Psychohistorical Crisis, the Dune universe is part of the past of the Foundation universe. The Fremon are known as the "Frightful People" to historians.
That makes more sense.