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Former President Donald Trump was indicted for an unprecedented third time on August 1, adding another set of serious federal charges to the mounting legal issues he faces.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One presidential candidate got 3.4% (more than all 3rd party candidates in 2020 combined) of the vote (over 1million votes) as a third party candidate while in prison in 1920.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Eugene V Debs. The best president the US never had.

o7

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 1 year ago

One of the few upsides of my living in Terre Haute, Indiana is that I can say I live in the same town Debs was from. They have a nice museum here dedicated to him in his former home. If you're passing through Indiana, I do recommend an hour or two to see it. Bernie Sanders made sure to stop there during his 2016 campaign, if you need an endorsement.

[–] joel_feila 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

FDR gets all the credit but without actual leftists like Debs (and all the workers who fought in solidarity with him) we'd still be sending our kids to work instead of school.

That's who this is.

Bernie has his picture hanging on his office wall and he's basically Bernie's hero.

[–] CaptainBananaFish 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we’d still be sending our kids to work instead of school.

We are. They're letting 14 year olds bar tend in Wisconsin and McDonalds in Arkansas has been busted for employing 12 year olds. Several states are actively bringing back child labor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are again.

The mistake of confusing the middle with the left over the last hundred years.

[–] CaptainBananaFish 4 points 1 year ago

Yep, we haven't had a left in a long time.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eugene V Debs, a communist that ran for US president from his prison cell, securing 3.4% of the vote. Also the former state representative of Indiana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

[–] MiddleWeigh 1 points 1 year ago

I kinda cried reading these.

[–] joel_feila 1 points 1 year ago

man I want that as a tattoo now

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Felons can’t vote, but they can run?

[–] Chainweasel 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It makes sense though. Think about it like this, A politician that wanted to stay in power could disqualify his opponents by wielding the DOJ as a personal tool and nailing them with felony charges. Trump could have placed a more loyal attorney general, nailed Biden on some bullshit petty offense that technically qualifies as a felony, and have his name removed from the ballot shortly before the election. Allowing felons to run for president defangs that particular power move. To disqualify someone the 14th amendment would have to be invoked, and should be in Trump's case.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

A politician that wanted to stay in power could disqualify his opponents by wielding the DOJ as a personal tool and nailing them with felony charges

It's how Putin and other despots have been doing it for a very long time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I do see the validity of this argument, it still feels like treating the symptoms rather than the cause. If the fear is a sitting president welding his personal power to imprison (and thus disqualify) a political rival, isn't the bigger problem that a sitting president has the power to do this in the first place?

[–] BlinkAndItsGone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Justice Department has to be able to indict people, that's part of its function. And the DoJ is part of the executive branch. A good President will not use the DoJ for his personal political purposes, but the incentive to do so, if it was there, would be extremely powerful. I think it's probably a good idea to remove it. If the people can't be trusted not to vote for a criminal or a traitor, we have bigger problems.

[–] paddirn 7 points 1 year ago

The Government doesn’t want you to know about this one trick!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've heard the logic is to prevent people from wanting to retroactively legalize shit to secure votes from felons, which doesn't make a lot of sense tbh