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Pro-Ukraine protests erupt across US after Trump and Vance ‘ambush’ Zelenskyy
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I don't know why enabling netanyahu's genocide was a greater priority for the biden administration than Ukraine ever was. Or indeed, anything else for the entirety of his term.
Biden gave Ukraine $120 billion for defense against the invasion.
He gave $18 billion to Israel and $2 billion to Gaza.
Wow, still harping on Biden. I guess the rubles are still flowing, eh comrade?
I mean they still have a point.
Claiming Israel doing it is fine while helping Ukraine was a really wild thing to do.
Though I still don't understand why anyone thought Trump would do anything to stop Israel either.
I don't think anyone claimed what Israel is doing was fine. Even Biden was critical.
When Ukraine surrendered their nuclear weapons the US promised to help protect them from Russia. It was our duty to help. To get the Ukraine funding passed it had to be bundled with assistance for Israel, or Republicans would not have voted for it.
Helping Israel is messed up, but there's probably only a handful of politicians who tried to stop it. Before Trump, it seemed like everyone supported Ukraine. It's such a drastic change in the political climate that blaming Biden for everything Israel is a gross oversimplification and shifting of the blame that rightfully belongs on most of our government.
Polling-wise, people weren't much more enthusiastic about sending support to Kyiv than Tel-Aviv. These were both grisly foreign conflicts cheerleaded from the press that had very little purchase in mainstream American circles. If anything, it was Israel that had more universal support, as conservatives had far more opposition to Ukraine aid than liberals had to Israeli aid.
Partisan infighting made matters worse, of course. Liberal news tried to make the American side of these conflicts look "Woke" in order to justify the violence. Both the IDF and the Azov Battalions were apparently fighting for LGBTQ rights in their respective territories, I guess? The conservative response on this was split the partisan reaction. Republicans declared that, aktuly, no by fighting Muslims the IDF was Based Trad and therefore good. Meanwhile, they accepted the Woke Ukrainians narrative uncritically and decided this meant Russia must have been the good guys. Add in how pro-Gaza protests were from the stupid hippie university students and their liberal arts (re: foreign language / poli-sci / international studies) professorships with a certain Black Lives Matter vibe to the opposition, and Republicans double-extra hated them.
But any conversation about these wars was so awash in domestic propaganda and spin. Support was always predicated on whether you though Zelenskyy or Netanyahu was an MSNBC Liberal or a FOX News Conservative. The local politics of these conflicts - ideas of national sovereignty versus international security, international relations around control of minerals and agricultural goods, civil rights for local minority groups - was never a serious part of the conversation.
I know. Centrists will rejoice in the suffering of everyone to their left until it's them.
And you entertain fantasies about violence against people to your left. Wonder what it would be like if you ever thought about punching right.
Oh honey, find a new song.