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We warned the people who sat home on election day about project 2025 and yet they covered their ears and enabled all of this.
And Democrats were warned that they need to stop putting their thumbs on the scale to push the most dog shit candidates that don't promise anything that will help the working class. Fascism happens when democracy is unresponsive to the needs of the working class, and for the last 50 years Democrats have just been great at finding excuses for why they can't do something. Do you think Trump will listen to the parliamentarian if they disagree with something?
Fuck, Democrats have even been voting for his cabinet picks, despite claiming Trump is a fascist. They all voted to confirm Marco Rubio.
And voters were warned with years of inaction that they needed to start being more engaged.
The reason we have so many shit candidates is because people don't show up for the real ones.
"The purpose of a system is what it does". If our system consistently produces shit candidates, shit policies, shit results and demoralizes voters... Then we have a shit system and nothing will ever improve until we demand a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation and safe guards against fascism.
So, the litmus test of this logic is this: Do we blame the opposition for the Nazi party? Should we start doing that too after 80 years?
It's a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.
With the amount of screaming and championing that the Dems have ignored I refuse to believe it's incompetence or ignorance. This is wilful and active support for the party they claim they're in opposition to.
Yup, in other words post WW1 German society as a whole. People don't get to blame Dems without laying blame on themselves as part of this present society.
The antifascists are the only ones who weren't partly to blame. But also on a scale of who's most to blame, it's the nazis.
Yes, we should, as liberalism works for capitalism and capitalism always leads to fascism. Rosa Luxembourg said it best, socialism or barbarism. But Marx and Engels described the end stage of capitalism almost 100 years before fascism.
We have no opposition party lmao. Was it worth it for Harris to throw the election by siding with Israel? Neoliberals are also fascist.
Yes.
Democrats fielded someone who wasn't a criminal IN A BINARY CHOICE.
It's baffling how stupid people are. Just vote for the person who isn't a rapist bent on destroying the country. Like "see the man-child who can't keep his hands to himself? Vote for the candidate who isn't him."
Stop whining that Dems didn't field mother Theresa.
I voted for Harris, but she was an accessory to Biden's genocide of Palestine. So don't pretend like she was a decent candidate. Her refusal to condemn genocide was monsterous and made her completely unfit for office, but she just happened to be the lesser evil so I voted for her.
Our system is just rotten beyond redemption. Conservatives ratchet the country towards oligarchy while Liberals act as bulwark against socialist reform that would actually help the working class.
what about biden? Dude was pretty popular with blue collar workers, and pushed a lot of good relevant legislation.
this is factually, not fascism, i feel like im speaking with nazis trying to "subvert" the normie population and "enlighten" them or whatever the fuck groypers do.
I was told by a coworker, just after election day, that Project 2025 was just propaganda, and that "Democrats have their own propaganda too you know..."
Shit left me speechless. I was just like, let's revisit this conversation in three months.
mine were like yea but the price of eggs
I assure you we now talk about the price of eggs, inflation, and job security daily
and by that I mean I talk at them while they pretend it is all fine
It's a really interesting time right now to talk to them about those egg prices.
I know they're going to stick their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA BIDEN" but you can't stop.
Seriously, we're in this mess because they wore us down so we stopped engaging. START ENGAGING AGAIN. We have to make this uncomfortable for them, all of them, they have to identify the correct source of this discomfort too. Stop caring if they scream or whine or threaten to not associate with you or ANYTHING else. We have to start getting some thicker fucking skin.
You know all that shit you see on your feed "Epic leftist DESTROYS prominent conservative!" and it's some select clip of a talk show or interview? You know all those smug "leopards ate their faces" posts that make it look like the right broadly is suffering under its own folly and we all just need to sit back and chuckle?
IT'S ALL BULLSHIT. NONE OF THAT MEANS ANYTHING. We are in the most danger of losing America than we've EVER been in since the revolutionary war itself. The right is NOT running scared, they're not worried, they're not suffering. Not yet at least.
They're celebrating in the streets because they think they're winning. Your TASK, each of you, is to make sure that when it starts really hurting, when their social services dry up, when their VA checks bounce, when their childcare subsidies are revoked, when their food stamps are canceled... is to draw for them a direct line between who they fucking voted for, and what they've lost.
You might think this sounds stupid and obvious, and that's the same conditioning that made you think we were going to win. Don't be naive. Build communities. Get informed. Get in people's fucking faces and who CARES if you get attacked, insulted, hit, screamed at or filmed? What TRULY do we have to lose when we're on the verge of losing everything?
Yell it from the roof tops.
I tried that and now I'm posting to Lemmy from one of the new camps.
So did you revisit that conversation?
Because I've heard that exact sentence from my buddy, who is from Eastern Europe - still talking about the US. Where did they get that info, I will never know.
I've tried... They do not seem interested.
To be fair, we have a hybrid WFH system, I haven't seen the guy in a few weeks, and I only mentioned it to him once via text. I think I will be spending some time with him next week, so I'll probably bring it up then.
I voted for Harris out of harm reduction with a funeral dirge in my heart yet again voting for neoliberal scum that sold out the country to the corpo Fascists lock step with Republicans for decades, but is this the resistance from now on, or will we eventually stop scolding what is now the past hoping it will change the present or future?
Because it won't. You can't shame his voters, Republicans have been immune to shame since Reagan, and scolding the low information "I'm not political, teehee when's football/Reality Show crap on" people who haven't had anything at all to vote FOR, only against the greater evil for the last 50 years will only make them roll their eyes and remain disengaged.
Either foment hot revolution starting with destroying the capital markets, steal the DNC with a socialist populist as trump did as a fascist populist to the RNC, or back a socialist Party. Everything else is masturbation on a sinking ship with the capitalists tearing new holes every day.
Because either under neoliberals or Fascists, the capitalists are unrestrained. And if the capitalists remain unrestrained, the planet WILL burn in our lifetimes for all of humanity effectively forever, as millions of years is forever to our little monkey brains.
There are microplastics in my kids' brains, but by God let's not slow down fracking in Pennsylvania.
I understand you're hurt and concerned right now, with good reason. That said, to get out of this we need to be objective about how we got here.
Blaming our current situation just on people who didn't vote is not taking into account the whole picture. Yes, if non voters had shown up at the polls and voted Harris then Trump wouldn't have won. Also if people who voted for Trump had not shown up, then Harris would have won. If people who voted Trump had voted Harris, she would have won. So?
WHY do people act the way they do? Because of the candidates. Because of the parties. Because of the information they encounter. Because of the entrenched interests that have created a low quality of life, and led people to believe that nothing will change, and that they can't trust what "elites" say.
Does that make the current situation any better? No. But it at least hints at possible avenues to go down, ways things could be improved. Saying "we told them, but they didn't listen" implies there's not much action that can be taken, just relaying information beforehand, and scolding after.