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Not sure what "normal christians" means but the protestant circles I grew up in totally denied evolution theory.
Christianity teaches creationism as the only truth, so I'm going to assume that's the "normal" view. Either you believe in creationist bullshit or you're not a christian
I dont think it makes sense counting them as not christian, since they could still believe in lots of other stuff christians tend to. Religious people of the same faith tend to have varied beliefs, some more than others.
Sounds like arbitrary cherry picking of the parts they want to follow.
So either you have to follow every rule or you go straight to hell. Think the almighty sky dad is going to be ok with that? No, eternal damnation for wearing blended fabric.
Can’t stand these fucking cults and their mental gymnastics.
Yeah basically, but that is how they do so it doesn't change whether they count as christian or not.
“I’m vegan. Except I eat a handful of things that aren’t vegan whenever I feel like it.”
Sorry dear you ain’t vegan.
If you can arbitrarily pick whichever magic words you follow then none of them matter. Hence you aren’t a Christian and eternal burning for you if you don’t follow their cult verbatim.
They aren't required to make sense to you.
There are many christian organizations. They all choose that this is valid.
Accepting contradictory thinking is a huge part of the religion, not a "gotcha" that disarms it.
Mental gymnastics from a cult of idiots.
Sure. The point was that they are christian by their own definition, and it counts more than your definition no matter how upset you are with either them, or me for discussing it with you.
Yes and like a mental patient that thinks they are the king of wales, they should be locked up for their own health and the safety of others.
You’re combining a no-true-scottsman fallacy with a strawman argument. I.E. “either you believe this easily debunked thing or you aren’t a real Christian”.
That’s not a valid argument.
Going further; it looks like your conclusion was completely backwards. I don’t know what percentage of people who consider themselves Christian are also Creationists, but there is evidence that it is a minority rather than the majority.
For example, a poll taken in the U.S. showed that for most Christian denominations, most of their members believed in evolution: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceptance_of_evolution_by_religious_groups
Creationism seems to be most prevalent in the U.S., so I would expect the overall numbers to be even more tilted towards belief in evolution.
Does American christians not read bible?
Not all Christians are biblical literalists. It's not uncommon to treat early Genesis as metaphors containing a general truth but given to people who wouldn't really have the understanding or language to really get the whole "you share a common ancestor with those trees" thing
You’re still making a no-true-scotsman fallacy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Those people who call themselves Christian and don’t believe in Creationism appear to make up the majority of all people who call themselves Christian.
It doesn’t matter that their interpretation of the Bible doesn’t align with yours; they are still classified as Christian, and they don’t believe what you are asserting that Christians have to believe.
No. They doesn't.