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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why, why Mr. Zelensky, don't you develop nuclear weapons like other nations: in silence?

[–] PostingInPublic 37 points 1 month ago (6 children)

No development required, I think they can open a drawer somewhere and pick one of several soviet designs. If they want a nuke, they can build one right away.

It would cost them the support of their allies, however, and they cannot afford that.

It's saber rattling.

[–] brucethemoose 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The support may be dropping away anyway.

Imagine a right wing US/EU election sweep from Zelensky's point of view. They're going to force Ukraine to capitulate, and in a very lopsided manner that cripples Ukraine forever, hence this could be an actual option/last resort more than a threat.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Building a nuke is not difficult. Refining the necessary amount of uranium 235, or acquiring plutonium 239 however...

[–] HasturInYellow 13 points 1 month ago

He's stated they have the material and could have a nuke within weeks I believe.they have reactors so the material isn't hard to come by really

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Khajiit has wares, if you have coin

[–] brucethemoose 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The engineering for plutonium nuke is not trivial. A U235 one is dead simple, but they probably have Plutonium from reactors, not U235 from centrifuges.

And yeah, they undoubtedly have Soviet blueprints under a matress somewhere.

[–] InverseParallax 10 points 1 month ago

Who do you think designed the Soviet nukes?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Institute_of_Physics_and_Technology

The Ukrainian Institute of Physics and Technology was the "Laboratory no. 1" for nuclear physics, and was responsible for the first conceptual development of a nuclear bomb in the USSR.[3]: 4 

Russians are inbred drunk morons, which is why everything they tried since the fall has been disastrous, and why we haven't seen su-57s and t-14s in actual combat while the semhat exploded on the pad and their own bombs rained on their soil.

If the war goes on expect them to nuke Moscow by mistake.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Considering how the world's biggest uranium producer by far is Kazakhstan and Russia seems to be actively determined to tank Russian-Kazakh relations, I'm pretty sure they could acquire some

[–] actually 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It can’t be saber rattling at this stage, it’s a promise.

Maybe one that cannot be kept, but I seriously doubt the allies could stop it if the fronts retract and troops from nato countries are not sent?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Maybe the support is not worth losing the war. In "The King and I", the King of Siam has a verse "...If allies are weak, am I not best alone? ...If allies are strong with power to protect me, might they not protect me out of all I own?"

[–] slaacaa 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Looking at Israel, the “don’t ask permission, ask forgiveness” strategy really works with the US (a good example is also Kursk attack, Nord Stream 2 or Kerch bridge sabotage). They should just be doing crazy shit, forcing escalation on Russian side, and thus in response by the US/NATO. Of course this is a delicate balance, but a few nukes on paper I think would still be okay.

These could guarantee the existence of their nation in the future, and unless they use them on a Russian city, no repercussions would happen beyond verbal saber rattling just for having it. Russia would definitely shit themselves and dial back on the agression.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

nuclear is neither about having, nor using the weapons … it’s about the fear of future use of weapons

silence isn’t helpful in that endeavour