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Black hole jets, which spew near-light-speed particle beams, can trigger nearby white dwarf stars to explode by igniting hydrogen layers on their surfaces. "We don't know what's going on, but it's just a very exciting finding," said Alec Lessing, an astrophysicist at Stanford University and lead author of a new study describing the phenomenon, in an ESA release. Gizmodo reports:

In the recent work -- set to publish in The Astrophysical Journal and is currently hosted on the preprint server arXiv -- the team studied 135 novae in the galaxy M87, which hosts a supermassive black hole of the same name at its core. M87 is 6.5 billion times the mass of the Sun and was the first black hole to be directly imaged, in work done in 2019 by the Event Horizon Telescope Collaboration. The team found twice as many novae erupting near M87's 3,000 light-year-long plasma jet than elsewhere in the galaxy. The Hubble Space Telescope also directly imaged M87's jet, which you can see below in luminous blue detail. Though it looks fairly calm in the image, the distance deceives you: this is a long tendril of superheated, near-light speed particles, somehow triggering stars to erupt.

Though previous researchers had suggested there was more activity in the jet's vicinity, new observations with Hubble's wider-view cameras revealed more of the novae brightening -- indicating they were blowing hydrogen up off their surface layers. "There's something that the jet is doing to the star systems that wander into the surrounding neighborhood. Maybe the jet somehow snowplows hydrogen fuel onto the white dwarfs, causing them to erupt more frequently," Lessing said in the release. "But it's not clear that it's a physical pushing. It could be the effect of the pressure of the light emanating from the jet. When you deliver hydrogen faster, you get eruptions faster." The new Hubble images of M87 are also the deepest yet taken, thanks to the newer cameras on Hubble. Though the team wrote in the paper that there's between a 0.1% to 1% chance that their observations can be chalked up to randomness, most signs point to the jet somehow catalyzing the stellar eruptions.

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[โ€“] db2 74 points 1 month ago (32 children)

Now you will see the power of this fully operational battle singularity.

[โ€“] WhatAmLemmy 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

What doesn't make sense is how haven't these primordial black holes accumulated to form massive objects that dominate the universe? The distribution of dark matter implies that it's widely dispersed throughout the universe, amongst all other matter, but wouldn't these primordial black holes have started to attract matter and grown in mass from 1 second after the Big Bang? Wouldn't the vast majority of these proton sized black holes no longer be proton sized? Wouldn't they have grown until they absorbed most visible matter in their vicinity? If this were true wouldn't it mean most of the dark voids between galaxies and stars are actually gravitationally dominated by black holes of varying sizes? How could our observations to date have missed that? Wouldn't pointing the JWST at any void show signs of infrared gravitational lensing? Oh god I've gone cross-eyed...

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"Even if you take into account clustering, the time scales for the merger are so long that they would only merge into really massive black holes over the entireย age of the universe," he continued.

If this were true, how have all the sub-atomic particles accumulated to form visible matter and galaxies? Do these black holes somehow have less mass than other particles? If so, how could they possibly make up most of the gravity in the universe โ€” more gravity than all the visible matter โ€” yet their gravity is so weak that they don't accumulate into larger clusters?

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Black holes don't swallow everything around them for the same reason that the sun hasn't swallowed all the planets. Outside of the event horizon, gravity still works normally and the fact that it's a singularity doesn't really matter. Gravitational capture usually involves multiple objects, because the trajectory has to get nudged for a collision to happen. A gaseous body collects mass at a faster rate than a black hole with the same mass.

[โ€“] db2 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure they can "get full" and basically explode also.

[โ€“] peopleproblems 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Black holes? No. As far as we know, there is no limit to the mass of a black hole.

[โ€“] teft 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not true. The upper limit is about 50 billion solar masses.

From wikipedia:

Supermassive black holes in any quasar orย Active galactic nucleus appear to have a theoretical upper limit of physically around 50 billion solar masses as any mass above this slows growth to a crawl (the slowdown tends to start around 10 billion solar masses) and causes the unstable accretion disk surrounding the black hole to coalesce into stars that orbit it.

[โ€“] peopleproblems 5 points 1 month ago

Ok a bit more I found.

The 5ร—10^10 number you referenced is the SMBH maximum mass for typically observed black holes. However, near the maximum prograde spin, given the age of the universe, a black hole would not have been able to accumulate more than 2.7ร—10^11 solar masses.

So, yes, a practical limit exists. But to point to OPs comment, no they will not explode.

[โ€“] peopleproblems 2 points 1 month ago

I didn't know that, but it makes sense that AGN would have a limit. Lemme look this up, we're pretty close to my limit of astrophysics

[โ€“] Wilzax 1 points 1 month ago

There's a limit to how big they can grow through accretion, yes, but no limit to their mass through mergers.

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