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Can they actually prove anyone worked at McDonalds that long ago? Aside from saving a pay stub for 40 years I don't see how one could prove or disprove such a thing, I doubt the company keeps records of every employee that far back.
She could have worked for a franchisee, too. If that was the case, a SMB owner is definitely not going to have those records after all this time
Assuming that franchise is still even open. How long does the US gov hold onto tax returns? The IRS says there's usually no need to keep them after 6 years. The best evidence they could find would probably be a coworker that corroborates the story or a photograph of Harris behind the counter working. The photo seems unlikely, and how many coworkers from 30 years ago do you remember?
The Social Security Administration has a record of every employer that's ever paid you and how much they paid you each year.
They have to for paying out social security.
So I actually tried this recently. Everything is done by paper and mail - even though I visited the office in person, they just mail it onwards.
Also, despite having an expected turnaround of six months officially, it turns out that wait times of multiple years are not uncommon once the request is submitted. So even if Harris submitted a request right now the election would be long over before she would have a copy of the records to prove it either way.
You're talking about applying.
I'm talking about getting your work history.
Can be done in pretty much the time it takes to sign into the website.
... for my work history.
Specifically, using SSA-7050-F4, https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ssa-7050.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9TwOUSn34I
Yes, me too!
Err, so from https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ssa-7050.html
I.e. you can create the account and view the info online pretty quick but it won't have the proof that you worked at McD back in the 80s or 90s.
I can't think of any way how I could proof the first job I had during school in the late 90's. I was working in a restaurant kitchen, peeling potatoes and stuff. You don't take photos there or keep name tags or other keepsakes. It was a shitty job, you want to forget about it, as soon as you left the premises.
Kamala Harris' job is even longer ago. 40 years is a long time to keep paystubs or something. There were no camera phones back then, no digital footprint you could recreate. That she can't produce any proof, doesn't proof anything.
Social security records.
90s is nothing, a normal person could get it in a month, one of her aids could probably get it in an hour.
Does it matter tho?
Eh, it would be fucked up if she just flat out lied, but it's hard to imagine she would lie about that.
If she proves it tho, they'll make a new stupid claim and if she doesn't prove it they'll use this as evidence that she would prove it if it wasn't true.
How to know when OP is unhinged and divisive:
People are agreeing with givesomefucks, who often gets down voted for unpopular views.
Truly, today is some interesting times.
Damn, you aren't wrong!
It's like when people think that them walking by causing street lights to go out.
We're pattern recognition machines, and we have certain biases. People don't notice all the streetlights that are working, just the ones that flicker. Either it happens right next to you, or you don't notice.
Chances are you're only looking at usernames when it's really down voted. With the rare exception this time.
I bet if your scrolled thru my post history, you've up voted me more than youve down voted me.
Seems pretty ridiculous to judge the validity of an argument based on whether people agree with a particular commenter or not.
Ideas should be evaluated on their own merit, not dismissed because of who supports or opposes them.
This kind of thinking only stifles discussion and perpetuates division, which is exactly what we should be avoiding if we're serious about finding solutions. Let’s focus on the content of the conversation, not the personalities involved.
I tried this and it takes ages. I applied back on July 1st and haven't heard a peep yet - apparently this can take many months or sometimes even years.
Man, you know what?
I was wrong.
I'm used to having to get other people's records, to look up my own back to my first highschool job, took literally less than five minutes.
Coincidentally, it was also a McDonald's.
Try it yourself. Ssa.gov
Well, that's not what anyone was talking about about...
As clarification, I applied for the SSA-7050-F4 ( that is https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ssa-7050.html ) in order to get my detailed earnings and employment history, and following this video as a guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8H9U-SIs8
Considering what the thread was about - what did you think I said I had applied for? I'm genuinely curious now - as per https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/flyers/EBE_Flyer_Apply_for_your_Social_Security_Number_While_Applying_for_Your.pdf it takes just two weeks after applying for the SSN / SSN card itself to get it, while actually applying for benefits takes 3-5 months as per https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-security-benefits-long-does-180014897.html (which is ridiculously long but still not as bad as a year long wait).
Dang where were you two months ago lol - can you talk me through this? If I can pull down a record of who I worked for from their online website then this would be a really big help for me for personal reasons.
I did but couldn't find it - only saw my yearly and monthly earnings totals.
Also, and possibly more importantly…
…WHo FuKinG CArES?!?
60 comments in this thread. And snopes looking it up. So seems some people do.
Shit!
She coulda had @[email protected]’s vote if only she [had|hadn’t] worked at McDonald’s
😞😭
Ah, the arrogance of the establishment!
See this brothers and sisters?! They think that by mocking and belittling those who dare to challenge their broken system, they can shame us into submission.
But they forget that ridicule only fuels the fire of our resolve.
Keep sneering, if you must, but know that every insult you hurl only strengthens our determination to stand against your candidate and the corrupt system they uphold.
How many people do ya think will change their minds and start voting for your candidate if you keep mocking and making fun of them? Hmmmm?
Gosh. I’m such an asshole…
I wouldn’t call you that, as I respect everyone’s right to their opinions.
But it’s hard to take someone seriously when they resort to mocking and belittling others to make their point.
There’s a better way to have these discussions, one that doesn’t rely on tearing others down.
I’m sorry my crass comment made you feel belittled.
What can I do to make it up to you?
No need for apologies or making it up to me. I’m more interested in a genuine conversation where we respect each other’s views, even if we don’t agree. Sarcasm doesn’t really add much to that.
Sure.
So besides employment history at McDonald’s, what positions are most important to you in a presidential candidate?
As I previously noted, her McDonalds history has no bearing on whether I vote her or not. So not sure why you keep circling back. I merely noted that with the reply count in this thread, and the fact that Snopes is looking into is shows that some people are indeed interested in it.
But was there something that I said that made you think I am interested in it? Because I am not.
But I will answer your question in good faith, even if you were not asking in good faith. The most important positions for me in a presidential candidate are:
Workers' Rights: I want a candidate who truly fights for workers, ensuring fair wages, strong labor unions, and protections against corporate exploitation. Neither Harris nor Trump have shown real commitment to these values. Harris has a history of corporate-friendly policies, and Trump’s track record includes reducing labor protections.
Anti-Corporate Influence: A candidate who's serious about reducing the influence of money in politics and breaking up the corporate stranglehold on our government. Both Harris and Trump are deeply tied to corporate interests. I question their ability to prioritize the needs of the people over profits.
Peace and Anti-Militarism: I need a candidate committed to ending endless wars and the military-industrial complex. Harris and Trump both support military interventions and have shown little interest in scaling back America’s aggressive foreign policy.
Climate Justice: A leader who understands that addressing climate change requires big systemic change, not just incremental policies. Trump’s outright denial of climate science and Harris’s support for market-based solutions that favor big business over real environmental progress are both unacceptable to me.
Social Justice: I look for a candidate who truly fights for racial, economic, and gender justice. Harris’s record as a prosecutor raises concerns about her commitment to reform, and Trump’s divisive rhetoric and policies are clearly against the principles of equality and justice.
:)
This is a little weird. Even in this day old thread it seems someone is watching us…😳
I definitely agree with you on one or more of those positions.
I watched Matewan for the first time today in recognition of Labor Day here in the US.
Have you seen it?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that, can you clarify a bit?
I have not. Never heard of it until you mentioned it and I looked it up on Wikipedia just now. How did I not know about this movie?! I will watch it tonight. Thank you for that! Looks super interesting and right up my alley.
Just saying someone who isn’t me (or presumably you) is voting on our comments
It was good, but…well…I don’t want to spoil anything for you.
Oh! Yeah, I have a mini-downvote brigade that downvotes every single post and comment I make. Usually within a minute or so. I know who one of the guys is, and I called him out on it and he got really mad, and set up another account just so he can do it. I blocked him, but he hasn't blocked me.
He legit thinks he is getting some sort of "revenge" on me by downvoting everything. All because I mentioned I was gonna vote third party. He never forgave me.
I know how he is, and I am so used to it, I take it for granted. He cried, "You have no proof! That's uncivil! Please prove it!" And here he is again! lmao
The fact that he is so obsessed with me that he follows me on every post is so weird to me. But meh, it doesn't bother my day at all. :)
Wow - that’s crazy. Are you sure? How do you know?
You just pointed it out, remember?
I just pointed out someone but you’re saying you know who it is.
…or maybe I misread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway - We’re getting off track.
I’m curious about this:
What does this mean to you? Most people would prefer peace over war, but do you believe there are limits? Or do you believe in peace over all else?
I'm done with this conversation. Made my point. Several times. We're done.
And ya know what? I have a really strong sense that you'll figure out who that guy that is stalking me is. Like a really really strong sense. You know what I mean?
Tell him I said hi, will ya? And that he's still not breaking me. Even under his other account names. Oh and let him know that I have some more articles I'm posting, so he can prepare to log under his different accounts to get ready to downvote!
I mean, if you come across him, and all. You know, just doing your average things on Lemmy. I feel confident in your ability to really understand him.
I feel really, really, really strongly that you will understand exactly what he wants to accomplish. But hey, remain civil, right?! :)
What happened to this? I don’t think I disrespected you or your views; I was just trying to learn more about them.
I'm blocking you now. And ya know why. :)
That’s a shame 😞
You know, it’s funny. From what I understand, on Reddit, blocking someone means they can no longer see your content but on Lemmy it works the exact opposite where I can see your content but you can’t see mine.
I believe this difference is quite a point of contention in moderation theory circles.
Yeah, I know who he is. Such a weird guy too. I mean, he has multiple Lemmy accounts, and always wants super detailed answers when someone disagrees with him.
I mean, it's almost like, he thinks he is soooo smart and soooo clever, that if he tried hard enough he can bait me into getting angry with him.
But alas, I am not angry with him at all. I think he's a pathetic incel. And I've DM'd with him. And all this time, he's tried to rage bait me. But it's never worked.
And that just makes him sooo mad! Weird, right?! And he was so darn convinced that I'd be banned by now.
So it's his mission. And he thinks that he can hurt my feelings by downvoting posts. Isn't that crazy?! lmao
And he's such a loser. He liked posting screen shots of conversations, DM's, really really loves to point out how many posts I've made since I started my account.
Weird, right? I mean you'd definitely think that guy is weird, right? To be so obsessed with someone just because he didn't break them.
Yeah, so sad. Pathetic.
I'm sure you, of all people, would definitely agree with how pathetic and sad he is. Right?
Whoa - that got dark 😳
Sorry I stirred up such angry feelings in you. I thought we were just having a friendly conversation.
As I have told you many times in our previous conversations. Oops! I mean, we are new friends. So we couldn't have had many previous conversations. Right?!
Anyway, I'm not angry at all.
I'm just saying that other guy, who you are totally absolutely not, that HE is pathetic and sad. What makes you think I would be angry? Just talking about how sad some other guy is for stalking me under various usernames on this platform.
You know what would be funny tho?! Us talking about someone who is really you because you are under a different screen name?! Wouldn't that just beat all?! Right? Wouldn't that be crazy?!
Ohhh man. Really glad that's not happening. Whew, right?! I mean, can you imagine how pathetic and sad that guy would be for having yet another screen name and still stalking me. All just because I am not voting for his candidate?
But nah, that couldn't possibly be you. Right? We are way too friendly! Right? Sharing movie tips, and things. You know, staying civil and all...
We have talked before, and it has always been friendly except one time I asked you to give me space and you refused.
I have never talked to you with an alt account, though. I can be 100% sure because I don’t have any alt accounts on Lemmy.
It sounds like you’re tilting at windmills. I hope you’re doing ok. You know; mentally and everything.
Best of luck 🍀