*please note i deeply value and respect the vegan movement. i am just critical of how humorously it precipitates in online spaces, particularly this one. :)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If you value veganism either you should be vegan or you're lazy and want others to fix problems while you hinder them

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 12 points 4 months ago

For every person I see who is actually vegan, there are a dozen people who complain about the existence of vegans, denounce vegans as hypocrites, and insist vegans are doing veganism wrong. And thank the heavens for all those vegan Indians, or the numbers would be so much worse.

Americans simply have no idea how fucking expensive it is to produce meat at the scale they want to eat it. We are one Dust Bowl away from ground beef going to $12/lb and patriotic burger-eaters lighting the suburbs on fire in protest.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't handle not wanting to kill myself, let alone a giant change in diet. What's this, another way in which my existence is detrimental to others? Add it to the fucking pile, it'll be enough to get me to kms eventually.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Look I've got terrible depression and chronic nerve pain. Idk what to tell you, hurting isn't a good reason to hurt others.

Personally I tend to feel better about myself when I'm doing good, I think that's pretty common. It's not so difficult of a change, if you learn like 5 solid lentil/bean based meals you can make easily (such as stews you can just throw in a pot) then you can just rotate through those as you learn.

Something like a chilli non carne, Moroccan chickpea stew, couple of dhals, and a pearl barley stew with lentils. I can dump some of what I use to avoid starvation when brushing my teeth is a 2 hour battle if you like?

[–] gerbler 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You'll have more of an impact trying to convince people to try meatless mondays than you will by shaming people who aren't fully vegan.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I uh don't think you understand what veganism is about.

I'm queer, and for a long time I was not allowed to marry my wife. Imagine how ridiculous it would be to say something like "you shouldn't shame people for not treating you as an equal. You would have more of an impact trying to get people to recognise your relationship for medical authority purposes". It's just completely missing the point.

Humans are not fundamentally different to non human animals. Each one of them deserves dignity and respect, every cage must be empty.

[–] gerbler 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Passive aggressively wagging your finger at people who haven't committed completely to veganism won't empty any cages. Convincing people to reduce their consumption peacemeal will. It sounds like you care more about the sense of self satisfaction than you do about the animals being harmed though so go off.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

🙄 when you get angry at racists, sexists, sex pests, DVers, people that beat dogs, whatever are you angry because you want to feel a sense of self satisfaction? Or because it hurts you to see people hurting others and behaving in reprehensible ways?

Yeah me too.