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What's your plan if Trump wins in November? (lemm.ee)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/asklemmy

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I'm feeling so uneasy with everything I've been seeing. I keep thinking about what we will be this time next year, and if shit hits the fan, what is your plan? I'm queer and was politically active in 2020, so I would potentially be considered a political enemy.

The only blueprint I can think of is what you do in an active shooter situation; Flee, Hide, Fight.

I know there's that romantic notion of "don't be a coward, get out and protest", but I remember the brutality of the 2020 protests firsthand, and even then I thought "thank god I'm going toe to toe with the CPD and not the CCP". Next time is going to be different. The president now has authority to send drone strikes. Protests and riots don't stand a chance agains missiles and live rounds.

Flee- I have an Uncle in Montreal who my family could potentially use as a way to at least temporarily escape the chaos. The hope I'd have is that Canada and other countries would accept American refugees, however that's not a guarantee.

Hide- If borders are closed, lay low and move away from major cities if possible. If civil war breaks out, try to get away from the violence even if you think your side will win. Todays losers may be tomorrows victors.

Fight- If cellular data/ social media algorithms can keep track of you, and surveillance can make sure there's no movement, this would be the last resort of desperation. I guess if possible try to either find a group for safety in numbers, or conversely go guerrilla as groups of resistance would make easy targets.

Sorry my mind is running and I'm getting scared.

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[–] iamanoldguy 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Tanks need support personnel.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ask the Russians how well it goes when the tanks fight alone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

how many PG-7VLs do you have at hand? or maybe do you have a 2A36 howitzer stashed in garage? believe or not, you can't fight tanks with good vibes only

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for explaining to this former 11-H / 11-M the difficulties in fighting tanks. :D

You're not wrong but infantry against tanks that have no infantry support will win every time. Tanks are fuckin blind when buttoned up and will get absolutely wrecked by close in infantry, even without anti-armor weapons. It's almost trivial to immobilize them from up close.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah i guess so that situational awareness is limited, but still M1A1 is not T72. without any AT weapons, i see that, but without any explosives, outside of occasional tannerite IED and whatever can be spun on local lathe, there might be some problems

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 4 points 4 months ago

You can immobilize an M1 by pouring shit into the exhaust grills over the turbine. You can also blind the driver and TC with a can of paint. You don't have to kill it to take it out of the fight. That's my point. If they don't have counter-infantry to keep you off them, they are fucked. Tanks really really suck against infantry in situations that aren't endless flat desert like the Gulf War.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Okay? What's your point? That the national guard will rise up against the system?

The national guard are famously conservative. Which side do you think they'll pick when push comes to shove?

[–] iamanoldguy 1 points 4 months ago

My point is you don’t hit the tanks, you hit the support infrastructure. Maintenance, fuel depots, Supply lines. Tanks (or planes, or whatever) don't run in a vacuum. You create a vacuum and stuff doesn’t go. See Ukraine.