And since a protest is ultimately an attempt to manipulate an entire people into shifting the national consensus over to your opinion, if I'm refusing to stop being dramatic about the optics of what they did then what they did was an abysmal failure.

That's the point people are trying to make here. That ultimately this thing is marketing, and that if everybody is pissed at you after your marketing impact you just did bad marketing.

Alright, you want me to tone it down? Here it is toned down: it's not the puppy coat.

It's Apple's hydraulic press iPad advertising.

You do realize that isn't any better, right?

[–] gmtom 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are they attempting that? Because if thousands upon thousands of scientific papers and our best and brightest describing what climate chabge is going to do, hundreds of peaceful protests, hundreds of protests at oil rigs and depots and FF company HQs and politicians houses and banks financing FF companies, and experiencing first hand the actual effects of climate change don't stir people to action, what will?

These protests are to keep climate change permanently is the public consciousness, so people and the media can't just bury their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening while they get us to chase whatever culture war bullshit is going on.

The people who actually give a damn about this and take action aren't going to be put off because someone sprayed starch on a rock, or put paint on a piece of glass in front of an art work. And the people getting their knickers in a twist over that are the people that were never, ever going to do literally anything to help the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh, so it's even worse. They aren't trying to get any practical effect, it's just pointless vandalism that won't achieve anything. Cool.

Please explain to me how this keeps climate change in the public consciousness. We haven't spoken about anything even vaguely climate change-related in this entire thread. None of the discourse around it is about climate change. It's a distraction, at best. It's the sand the "people and the media" bury their heads in.

I hate the defeatism, too. If it doesn't do anything, then why even bother? Let the people who are... you know, actually working on it do their thing and get out of the way with the cornstarch and the stunts.

I also don't get the necessity to be defensive about it. I get to very much advocate for climate change action (and take action myself, by voting accordingly if nothing else) and still acknowledge this was a dumb thing, which is... honestly pretty obvious. Speaking of bad optics that make you lose the culture wars, denying how dumb this was just makes you seem delusional. After all, if climate activists are so obviously wrong about the obviously wrong thing why would they be right about the other thing? There is literally no upside to this.

[–] gmtom 1 points 5 months ago