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Cummins pickup truck engines systematically tricked air pollution controls, feds say (www.usatoday.com)

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[–] Treczoks 84 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They basically all did it, some just got caught earlier. I said it back when they all hit on Volkswagen: It is not like that all the other companies have found the magic trick to get emissions miraculously down, and just VW was to stupid to find it somehow, and had to cheat. This time it's Cummins they caught. All you have to do is look closely, and you'll find that they cheat, because in reality, none of them have that magic trick.

[–] Buffaloaf 20 points 11 months ago

That's what diesel exhaust fluid is for, it reduces NOx emissions.

The VW engines were small and didn't have DEF, so everyone was like "how did you reduce NOx enough to meet U.S. EPA standards?" And VW was like "we're just super smart like that", which turned out to be bullshit.

Cummins knew better and had better emissions controls available, so this is full on stupid on their part.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 11 months ago (24 children)

in reality, none of them have that magic trick.

Yes they do. It's called an electric motor. But that requires revitalizing infrastructure in order to accommodate fast charging across an urban landscape so utility trucks can top up whenever needed. And, of course, a company like Cummins being willing to make them.

But we can't get off that oil teat.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's called walking, better than any car. Having cars in major cities is so stupid. And before you say contractors need to have trucks, sure the do. But, I'm tired of companies sending out service vehicles to make almost 200 mile round trips, just so the competitor doesn't get the job.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 11 months ago

This is about utility vehicles, which are needed in cities even with robust transportation systems. Cargo still needs to be hauled the last mile.

[–] Maggoty 2 points 11 months ago

Okay and everywhere else?

I'd love for cities to go full on mass transit. Even bringing in light freight to business areas so restaurants and the like could just use a handcart. But there's a lot of people and businesses in the US that will never cover.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Although these trucks are regularly bought just for vanity, they’re also the go-to trucks for cross country hauling. And regardless of infrastructure, current electric tech doesn’t do so hot there.

Although, part of their draw compared to others in their class was that they had the “best engines”…

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago

If I'm doing my math right, $1.675B/630k vehicles is around $2.5k/vehicle. Barely cutting into the profits on what I assume is Dodge's most successful line.

[–] tinkeringidiot 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The shocking part about this is that they installed a dedicated defeat device and expected no one to notice. Come on guys, cars are software, if you want to end run the emissions standards just write more creative code.

[–] adrian783 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

that's literally what vw did

[–] tinkeringidiot 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but poorly. And even then it took at least 8 years to get caught. With a little creative thinking in the software design, there’s little chance another attempt would ever be discovered.

[–] ridethisbike 3 points 11 months ago

Well here's hoping they don't do that

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 3 points 11 months ago

And then there's no admission of wrongdoing in the settlement. Wtf

[–] Mango 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We can't let our customers access the EMS! They'll spoof emissions! /s

[–] thisorthatorwhatever 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe 1% of 1% of people would actual play with their cars and tune them. Even then, most wouldn't make the cars into polluting machines.

[–] Mango 5 points 11 months ago

I think it'd be significantly more than that, but that's probably bias from the kind of people I tend to be around. I'm thinking maybe as much as 5%.

That said however, we do have the assholes who like to "roll coal".

[–] Paragone 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if enforcing the destruction of human-viable-planet could be considered either

Crime Against Humanity

or, an

Act of Terrorism

They escalate to kill more of the next-generation,

then ENFORCE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR ACTUAL CRIME, if integrity is still any part of the "law" that is held to "rule".

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Oh, haha, first time in capitalism, huh?

[–] JeeBaiChow 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess they did see it cummin.

[–] andrewta 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I came here for this.

[–] snausagesinablanket 4 points 11 months ago

I came

[–] LEDZeppelin 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You mean rolling coal on bubba’s F350 wasn’t supposed to do that Freedom Cloud™️?

[–] iconic_admin 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

RAM is made by Dodge. F350 is Ford.

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[–] Everythingispenguins 16 points 11 months ago

... hundreds of thousands of 2013 to 20199 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup trucks.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. They really have those future sales locked in.

[–] Buffaloaf 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They should also look at the 5.0 liter Cummins that Nissan used in their Titan trucks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd say go a step further an look at all their tier IV engines (the ones that are currently in everything from genrators to locomotives to construct equipment). If they aren't in compliance outside of testing that could open them up to lawsuits from customers and competitors on top of the fines.

[–] ridethisbike 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do generators et al have emissions standards they need to follow?

[–] Buffaloaf 1 points 11 months ago

Yes, but as to what those standards are depends on the horsepower, type of use, and fuel

[–] answersplease77 11 points 11 months ago

that will be 35cents fine which your company can pay with loans over the next 9999 years thank you

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