this post was submitted on 14 Dec 2023
179 points (92.8% liked)

No Stupid Questions

2174 readers
1 users here now

There is no such thing as a Stupid Question!

Don't be embarrassed of your curiosity; everyone has questions that they may feel uncomfortable asking certain people, so this place gives you a nice area not to be judged about asking it. Everyone here is willing to help.


Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca still apply!


Thanks for reading all of this, even if you didn't read all of this, and your eye started somewhere else, have a watermelon slice πŸ‰.


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Similar case in point: "bimonthly" means "twice a month." That makes sense.

But the definition for "bi-weekly" does not make sense.

What do you think?

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] incompetentboob 105 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It means both, twice a week and every two weeks. It's confusing but what part of english isnt?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 77 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I'm wondering the same thing about Bible. Does it mean twice per Ble or every other Ble?

[–] skeezix 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No. It means Ble likes both girls and boys.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

We should rename it bibi then

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] hydrospanner 12 points 11 months ago

Two bles.

The old and new testament together are two, thus "Bible".

Before the new testament they just carried around a ble.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I know you're making a joke, but on the off chance someone thinks you might be onto something: it's from biblio, or book.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I was taught that the "bi" prefix was a multiplier and "semi" was a divider.

That meant biweekly, bimonthly, biannually were every 2 weeks, months, years and semi-weekly, semi-monthly, semi-annually were every half a week, half a month, and half a year.

Then the real world intruded and I've been confused ever since. About the only time I hear "semi" and "bi" used on a regular basis the way I expect is with pay periods. Biweekly is every two weeks and semi-monthly is twice a month.

Canada, by the way.

PS: I suppose bisexual and semi trailers also fit my expectations.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm on your side. Your rule makes sense, and what other people are doing doesn't make sense.

Stick to your rule and tell everyone else they're wrong.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I never heard that semi meant 1/2. I've always thought of semi as rather vague tbh. Meaning that there is no set amount of time between things.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

bi- means two, as in bicycle: two wheels (circles)

semi- means half, as in semicircle: half of a circle

The problem is that the prefixes can be parsed as affecting either duration/interval as in (bi-week)ly, every two weeks, or frequency as in bi-(weekly), two times weekly. The same applies to semi-.

Personally I find the frequency interpretation a bit of a stretchβ€”"two" is not the same as "two times" or "twice"β€”so I would tend to read e.g. bimonthly as every two months rather than twice each month.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 11 months ago (7 children)

It means both. Welcome to English.

load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bi-weekly means twice a week and every two weeks. Look it up in the dictionary of you choosing.

[–] ForgotAboutDre 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We should all agree it means twice a week. As we already have fortnightly to mean every two weeks.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

It's because of British English, and the fact that American English seems to have dropped a word which is caused confusion.

Bi-weekly means two times a week.

Fortnightly means every 2 weeks. But American English seems to have lost the word fortnightly, so there is this ambiguity now.

[–] set_secret 11 points 11 months ago (11 children)

thanks for the explanation, as an Australian reading this I had no idea what was going on cause bi-weekly means bi-weekly here and fortnight is every two weeks.

Til Americans don't have fortnights...

load more comments (11 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (8 children)

this is TIL, for me. "fortnightly" almost always solves it.

I always think the rule was "bi-" for "two" like bicycles VS semicycles.

dictionary people say it is up to the sayer to avoid confusion.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] RampantParanoia2365 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It can be either, actually. Yes, it's stupid.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The real answer is to solve this by using different terms. For instance, "twice per week" or "every other week".

Don't try to get anyone to agree on a definition, it's just begging for problems.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bi means 2. Bi weekly means 2 weeks.

Semi means half. Semi weekly means every half week or twice per week.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Semi weekly sounds like it means every two weeks

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] someguy3 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

There was often much confusion about this in the past because as you said it can mean multiple things. We seem to have gone away from any proper etymological use of the word 'bi' and have defined (for the most part) biweekly to be every two weeks, bimonthly to be twice a month, biannually to be twice a year (that one maybe not). Legal documents that I see don't use those terms to avoid confusion.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Frustratingly, "biannual" can also mean twice a year or every two years. Fortunately there is the "biennial" which unambiguously means every two years.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Wait, so bi-weekly and bi-monthly mean almost the same thing (every 14/15 days)? That's insanity!

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I prefer to use "semiweekly" for twice in a week, and so on for other periods.

[–] Pappabosley 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Use it in a sentence:

I used to get hard every day, but now I'm lucky to get a semiweekly

[–] PwnTra1n 5 points 11 months ago

Please start a word of the day series

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Lmao I'd interpret that as every two weeks. Semi meaning "almost", so "semiweekly" would mean almost weekly, hence, every two weeks. I guess you could think "almost" the other way but I feel like semi is usually used in a way that is "quite but not as good", twice a week would be more than once a week so I semi would have to be every two weeks in my mind.

[–] meant2live218 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Semi just means half. Semifinals, semester, semi-truck, etc.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

The banks use β€œbiweekly” and β€œsemiweekly” to avoid this exact kind of ambiguity. Biweekly would be twice a week, while semiweekly would be every other week.

It comes up in banking a lot because of payroll. If you get paid every other week, you get paid semiweekly. But if you get paid on the 1st and 15th of every month, you get paid bimonthly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Canadian here, with 50 years in the workforce. I've never once been paid semi-weekly or bimonthly. Here, biweekly is every two weeks semi-monthly is every half month. Obviously, that latter is often spoken of as twice a month, which just adds to the confusion between "bi" and "semi".

The reality is that these words, like most words (at least in English), mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean and consensus can be hard to reach.

I give you the phrase "table the discussion". Sometimes it means to formally bring something up for discussion. Other times it means setting the discussion aside for future consideration.

Or, my favourite from my childhood, "fat chance" which means that something is even less likely than if it had a slim chance. Granted, that might be more in the line of idiomatic slang, but it stands as part of at least the era's Canadian English that did have broad consensus and still does, I think.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
[–] prime_number_314159 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think the conflict is between invisibly different sub-word groupings. I think of them as "(biweek)ly" = "happens every biweek" = "happens every two weeks, vs. "Bi(weekly)" = "happens twice as much as weekly" = "happens two times every week".

That doesn't really help the ambiguity, so I prefer other ways of describing the recurrent timing of events when there isn't anything obviously disambiguating them - for example, if I create a digital calendar event and name it "biweekly event", the existence/nonexistence of repeated calendar events makes it obvious what is meant.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

An old word that fell out of use to describe a two-week period is "fortnight."

It should make a come back, but I fear the current generations would always misspell it for... reasons.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Fortnight is in routine usage in the UK.

[–] Pregnenolone 15 points 11 months ago

Old word?

Only in America, surely. Fortnightly is as common as weekly in most other English-speaking nations

[–] Pappabosley 12 points 11 months ago

Oh, I didn't get the memo, I used fortnight/ly all the time

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Very commonly used in Australia.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

In Australia it means twice a week, we say fortnightly (fourteen-nights) for 2 weeks.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fortnightly means every two weeks. Bi weekly means twice a week.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next β€Ί