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Fundimentally, as long as people get enough content to last their commute/poop/lunch break without crawling back to reddit for additional memes, Lemmy will be in a good position to make it.
But I agree with you, discussions about reddit don't make for good content for everyone in a sustainable way. Those discussions I'd wager appeal most to the true believers who left on principle, not the average user.
As of right now, I'm finding Lemmy has more than enough content for my daily browsing. However, that's because I took a few hours last month scouring as many instances as possible for the highest usercount communities that I wanted to get in my feed.
Reddit has a decent default sub list, and that's what's going to push new people away from Lemmy imo. I was frustrated enough with Spez to ditch reddit and dedicate a few hours to making this my new home.
Lots of people aren't going to want to put that effort in, especially when their feed at Reddit was not effected by any of the changes made.
Reddit ditched default subs years ago but it would maybe be a good thing for the big Lemmy instances to replicate in some way until it can get big enough. Finding communities is a challenge unless you’re really committed. The all feed is like 85% Reddit discussion.
If you create a new reddit account you receive curated content from day one is the point. I've also been a oldreddit user so I didn't even know default subs went away lol.
I also set my Lemmy default to new comments, subscribed/local cause all is buggy AF it seems(d).
The problem with this kind of decisions is that there are some people that want the fediverse to remain somehow underground, which would drive some people away from it.
As for the Reddit talk, I reckon it’s expected given how much people is coming expecting to get the Reddit experience. However, I believe the dust will settle as the time passes, and everyone will start to see Lemmy as its own thing.
A similar thing happens at Mastodon every time there’s a new influx of users. People want to have a familiar experience, and that’s normal.
I think this is a little overblown. How long were you in reddit for?
A lot of the people coming over here were on reddit for 10-12 years, back in the old days. People are adjusting. A big majority of the new users on Lemmy aren’t interested in going back to reddit at all, nor do we want Lemmy to be reddit.
Reddit has degraded significantly overtime, I think that the API debacle was a massive wake up call. People are still adjusting and there is a very big wave of new users on July 1.
But many of us came over in early June when the changes were first announced. I haven’t been back to Reddit since and I have been a lot happier. I honestly found that my interactions have been very pleasant here, the content has been deeper and more engaging, overall I’m really excited for the future.
Reddit was fun but it’s time has passed for a lot of the users here.
16 year club account here. This reminds me very much of earlier days Reddit. Both after the first migration from Digg in 2007 and the big one in 2010. We're very much in a transition period and there are definitely some growing pains. Some will go back, others will use both for the time being, but I'm becoming increasingly optimistic about this being the way forward.
It actually is quite nice here
Please stop talking about reddit. If you want this to be the next reddit, I beg of you to stop mentioning it.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the references to Reddit. It's precisely that upset toward what we're seeing happen to Reddit that is driving even greater usage of Lemmy. The same thing happened with Digg, which contrary to some of our collective memory did not take place all at once. Many moved over to Reddit in 2007 following the HD DVD encryption code scandal, with many still using Digg to some degree. Sentiment toward Digg continued to decline and Reddit traffic continued to climb until the final mass wave in 2010 with the arrival of Digg v4 that shifted emphasis away from user generated content toward heavier curation - this sealed Digg's fate with folks deciding to switch for good.
I think it's a good thing that Lemmy users continue to view themselves as displaced Redditors. You don't want that energy to fizzle out. It's what's driving people to volunteer more of their time and effort into community building.
I think you nailed it. The more we can harness the "fuck Reddit" energy, the better we can focus on creating what we wish we had there, here. Don't forget the parts of Reddit you despised. That's what we will avoid here. Let's make this a place we all love!
Exactly ... I think people are just impatient ... there is a change happening, to what degree of a change it will be only time will tell.
Reddit is collapsing in bits and pieces ... it's going to take time to see it go down the tubes.
Also, most people don't want to change, no matter what the circumstances are, they like familiarity and things to stay constant because it is comforting ... so they keep drifting back to Reddit hoping against hope that things will just keep going the way they always did. Eventually, the site will go stale due to all the infighting, protesting and regurgitation of the same old threads that people keep repeating.
Once people get tired of it all and realize that the old Reddit they once enjoyed no longer exists ... then they will drift into new alternatives like Lemmy, Kbin or Mastodon or whatever else and settle there.
Give it time guys ... nothing is going to change overnight. Personally, I'm staying here on Lemmy and Kbin and enjoying the hell out of it. I feels like 2010 all over again and it's great!
I can confirm we are seeing very similar levels of engagement on [email protected] as on /r/android despite significantly smaller subscriber numbers.
Lemmy really does scratch the itch for me. It's refreshing, even if mod tools aren't there yet.
Give it a week, we just passed July 1. I joined during the Reddit blackout and it took a few days for new and interesting content to cycle through.
Be the change you wish to see in the world!
I feel like you don't remember Digg v4. It was very much a topic on Reddit at the time.
Can't say that I do. What happened to Digg that made people switch?
They updated their interface to V4, which crippled most of, if not all, the functionality the site was used to.
This was also not a surprise to the users (but might have been to the Digg admin team), as the community was very vocal about why they didn’t like the new changes and even made suggestions on how they could be fixed/enhanced.
Digg went through with the V4 changes anyway, which led to a large majority of Digg users officially coming over to Reddit (I was one of them).
What you see at Digg now is a shell of what it used to be. When a majority of content creators/submitters switched to Reddit, it remained a popular topic for weeks, since that was relevant to the latest influx of users.
It was a very similar series of events. Company went back on its mission and values, focusing on making money at expense of its core user experience.
Lemmy feels very much like reddit right after digg v4 and I mean that in a good way.
Whats happening on reddit is a big news story, it's getting coverage on all the major socials and is pretty high up on a lot of news outlets. it's getting a little more attention here but that's because it obviously has a lot of refugees. I don't think it's a huge problem. Maybe if it persists with this level for another month.
This happened on Mastodon as well, I wouldn't worry about it too much. People are excited and they'll post about whatever they're feeling. As it goes away, people will stop talking about it.
Even OP itself is a mirror of what happened on Mastodon when Twitter shut down, people calling for an end to Twitter meta discussions.
It's kinda funny that this thread is the first mention of Reddit I've seen on here in days.
Lemmy also has an advantage over Mastodon in retaining people who move here.
With Twitter, most people go there to see content from particular users, be they famous people, news outlets, whatever. If those people stay on Twitter, users who leave it for Mastodon will eventually go back, because the content they want is still on Twitter, not Mastodon.
With Reddit, and also Lemmy, people are here for content but don't particularly care what users are posting that content. As long as the Lemmyverse continues to have good content-- and it only seems to be getting better, so I'm not worried-- there's no reason to return to Reddit
I got here after they announced the API changes. Took about a week for the reddit posts to slow down at all but they're back in full force now that the changes have been implemented.
It's just people discussing something that's relevant to them. It'll go away eventually.
It’s like Mastodon. Early on so much of the conversation was about Twitter but that died down and mastodon is now it’s own self-sustaining community.
In a few weeks people will stop talking about the Snoo-site.
"we all came back to it"
No we didn't. Maybe you did?
I'm gonna talk about Reddit even harder.
I'm gonna talk about Reddit even harderer
This is my first post. I'm still a little confused as how to add more subs. Most of the niche subs I was part of on your unmentionable site had about 10x the user base. Really what's needed is an app that let's you amalgamate all of lemmy websites into one, you need a certain number of people on the general subs in order for those small niche communities to thrive.
The two most common posts right now are complaints about reddit, and complaints about complaining about reddit. Be the change you want to see....
I think it does also depend on what you're subscribed to or which instance if you're viewing local.
I agree.. is there a way to hide all of the communities that have been/are being created by that lemmy bot I see lately? I mean maybe the author thinks it's helpful to mirror subs with all of their posts from 'over there', but I fear it also lets us be lazy and expect content to come from outside. People need to actively engage and create here, not just lurk and visit read-only copies.
Edit: it's all the auto-copied subs and posts from the lemmit.online instance -- I am not advocating for de-federating it, just hoping there would be a way to auto-hide any *.(instance) rather than needing to manually do it one at a time.
Edit 2: I'm a dork. I found how to just list new postings from my Subscriptions.
If you block the user, you shouldn't see their reposts.
Oh the ironing!
To me i feel it is rough and needs a lemmy is fun app im here cause rif told me to come and so far love it but miss my widget
Wtf is Twitter?
It's like Mastodon, but shittier
@Sputnik34 I hear you and I think it’ll take some time to die down, people invested a lot of time and energy into that place. Also a post like this is kinda like replying all to a company-wide email and saying please don’t reply to the email.
Hey so I'm gonna drop a take that's not going to win me any friends. But I'm one of those people who had a reddit account for 14 years. Before that I browsed Digg and Fark and before that there wasn't much except niche forums for the things you like, and you had to come across them. I've watched the internet change since I went online in 98. Disregard that if you like, but I just want to make it clear where I'm coming from.
This is Reddit. Now. It always has been. We didn't used to call it Reddit. We used to call it Digg. "The world wide web." It's not a discrete state of mind. It's not a single company. It's all of us. It's who's on the internet. It's not the tech we use or the corporate goons we swear fealty to (or don't). All of this... interaction... is just one continuous human conversation/argument/experience. You can't shut it out by changing venue. We've already carried Reddit over here. Just like we carried Digg to Reddit. And each iteration, we change it. We mold it. We bend it to our changing habits, desires, and thoughts.
I don't talk in memes. I'm forty-four years old and I fucking hate this "isn't that relatable" subculture that is obsessed with finding the nichiest niche that ever niched but like man, I get it. It's about feeling understood. It's about knowing that someone out there gets you. Before image macros you just argued and flamed and that's just the evolution of the internet. The evolution of this grand conversation we're trying to have. It's not better or worse it's just different and it's always changing. I'm an Old on the web and I promise you some day Reddit will be a distant memory for everyone here just like Digg and flame wars and YTMND.
But for now, chill. It's a transition period. You can't stem the tide of change. You can do what I do, and just block those fucking meme groups and get on with finding shit you like or you can try to beg the internet to change for you. But I'm telling you, trying to ask people not to use the R word isn't gonna get much traction right now.
I love this take on things. Reddit and the rest were the infrastructure to let people of like and differing minds have some sort of interaction. Even before the internet there were the clusters of local BBSes, then Usenet and forums. It's the evolution of the internet as a community. I will suggest that currently that community is sicker than it has been, even as it is more connected. Perhaps the various Big Social Media entities needed to stumble and give us a chance to think about better ways of doing what we've been doing since the beginnings.
I will agree with OP solely on the idea that some discussions maybe shouldn't bleed into other areas where it sidetracks other subjects. There's plenty of devoted communities now to the subject of Reddit as well as Twitter where people are looking for that.
Then again...one of Reddit's great assets even when it was annoying was the sidetracked comment chains. I suppose given the lower content here so far (but growing!) a sidetrack is a lot more obvious and feels like it's "all we talk about here".