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submitted 11 months ago by yesman to c/politicalmemes

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[–] RedditWanderer 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

This is a global conflict. The entire world is sweating at the US, because if the world lets this slide, other countries will do the same. Remember that this is somewhat of a prototype for taiwan.

Last week they were talking about having no more money for Ukraine, and this week they are talking about putting US arms dealers directly in contact with Ukraine. This isn't a coincidence.

I'm not worried for Ukraine because the US will absolutely not let Russia win, but the US will drag it on long enough to make astronomical amounts of money and drain Russia completely.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have my doubts China will move on Taiwan simply because of just how ready everyone will be able to be for them launching an invasion. Xi has irredentist delusions but he's far less motivated by them than Putin is, especially with the Belt and Road, the safety valve against blockade across the first island chain, not even close to being completed.

More likely China will use the outbreak of so many conflicts to build up a list of vassal states that break themselves on the western world militarily before Beijing swoops in and offers them a very one sided basically colonial economic relationship in exchange for saying they swear they'll totally have their backs "next time", meaning never because the relationship will leave the vassal so depleted it can't do anything but export resources to China for their use in manufacturing or in sustaining their population where China's own resources come up short.

Key example right now, China's definitely letting Russia break itself against Ukraine at this point so that they have a stronger hand to demand access to the fresh water in lake Baikal, that and theorized siberian mineral and fossil fuel wealth, China has a lot of young men who are definitely never going to find a family in their lifetime, why not send them all to freeze to death in the snow covered corpse of what was once a superpower?

[–] quaddo 1 points 11 months ago

irredentist

TIL a word

[–] OneShotLido 4 points 11 months ago

Your conclusion ignores the fact that (1) the GOP controls the Senate and House, and (2) the GOP's ultimate goals (fascism, dictatorship, etc.) align with Russia's reality. I hope you're right though.

[–] Windex007 1 points 11 months ago

I wish I agreed with the idea that the US will not let Russia win.

What even makes you think that? History? Georgia? Crimea?

The anemic response to Russian aggression over the last 20 years is why we're in this moment right now.

Fuss, sanctions, lose domestic interest while Russia has no such issues, push for peace, let Russia keep whatever they took, rinse, repeat.

And, I gotta be real, as much as I wish this was just a GOP problem, it isn't. I think the GOP is far worse, but Obama was completely delusional. In retrospect, Romney was right about Russian ambition. It's bizarre to think about the Rube Goldberg machine of human history, but if Mitt had won, the global landscape would probably be better right now. Trump never would have been president.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Slava Ukraini. I wish I had more optimistic predictions for the results of our broken fucking Congress, but... the rest of Europe may be their more reliable supplier for the next few months.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The election results in Slovakia and the Netherlands aren’t very positive for Ukraine though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And even if populists weren't a problem, Europe has been underinvesting in defense for decades, so is finding it hard to deliver on its promises.

[–] Archer 18 points 11 months ago

I’m an American and even I don’t count on Congress

[+] [email protected] -16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, the white socialist so called allies insist we need 4 more years of backslide into fascism because Biden is negotiating hostage swaps and access to natural resources post conflict instead of showing the world the US is willing to blow up long-standing alliances and partnerships over the moral qualms of not even a full majority of its citizens.

I'm sure all the Palestinians here in America will be so thankful to them for their bold stand against Biden's handling of the crisis as they get beaten in the streets and called a sand removed for wearing a kuffiya or having some Knaffeh in public or getting caught asking Shu fee maa fee to one of their cousins they ran into.

[–] Mathazzar 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a lot of random words you strung together that mean a lot of nothing.

[+] [email protected] -44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They can get in line. US has enough problems and should worry about itself.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago

That's the neat part: Those problems won't get solved either!

[–] Transcendant 33 points 11 months ago

A vast majority of the funds 'for Ukraine' stay in the USA, and have provided a massive boost to jobs and revenue for American companies.

Blocking funds for Ukraine will only benefit Putin. Are you pro-Putin?

[–] rbhfd 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Booo!

Isolationism isn't cool

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

No, no, you see, if you just allow Putin's imperialist ambitions to go unaddressed this DEFINITELY won't have repercussions on American democracy or the international economy. I Am Very Smart

[+] PP_BOY_ -15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Fun fact: the US spends more on healthcare per capita than any other high income country.

That means the US could spend less on healthcare, spend all that money on defense, and still have better healthcare than you do now.

It's a bit like brexit. UK politicians found it useful to blame foreign governments and the EU, as it helped distract from domestic corruption and profiteering.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Hey there, I think there's a bit more to consider in this topic. Firstly, it's not just the U.S. holding the fort in places like Eastern Europe. European countries, along with other members of NATO, play a big role in their own defense and stability of the region. Don't forget that there are nuclear powers in EU too.

Also, the U.S. being involved overseas isn't just a one-way street where America sacrifices for the sake of others. There are strategic benefits for the U.S., like securing trade routes, building diplomatic relationships, and even national security perks.

And about socialism and isolationism being mixed up – they're actually quite different. Socialism is more about how an economy is managed, not how a country deals with foreign policy. Many countries with socialist elements are pretty active globally.

Regarding Europe and East Asia, calling them isolationist isn't quite right. These regions are major players in international trade and politics. For instance, the EU is a huge economic bloc and actively participates in global affairs, and so does East Asia, with countries like Japan and South Korea being key international players.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes blame Europe for your internal
failures. The US has enough money to provide universal healthcare, free education and play world police. It’s not the Europeans fault that Americans vote greedy morons into office. Also most of the money the US spends on the Ukraine war stays in the US since it used to buy US made equipment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It technically is Europe's fault since the european russians are the ones who keep spreading misinformation and demoralizing voters to keep americans from being able to elect leaders that won't do that.

Just because they're disowned doesn't change that Moscow is on the European side of the urals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

True, Europe is the true villain of allies, although there have been at least some changes lately.