It's not enough to not understand economics, you also need to lack empathy and self-reflection.
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Phew, thank god I understand economics
Every Man is an Island motherfuckers realizing that No Man is an Island.
Humans specifically only were successful because of pack hunting. We died quickly in nature as individuals. Anarcho-capitalism rejects this need for each other replaced with the unsound idea that each individual can handle everything on their own.
Works great until you break your fucking ankle and realize nobody decided being a doctor was important or the only person with medical skills has decided they don't want to do business with you.
The ironic thing is that they because successful because of civilization and pack mentality, but are so conceited, they think all that infrastructure (public roads, doctors, restaurants, etc) exists simply because they exist. It's weirdly how toddlers see the universe, and why tantrums between the two groups are so similar.
Nor weird at all. It requires a social and emotional maturation process to occur before an adult can appreciate the golden rule. When this developmental process fails you have a chronological adult who is developmentally immature. One of the technical names used to refer to this outcome is narcissism. Such people have prominent narcissistic traits.
Yeah, the old "you don't find libertarians in poor countries with bad infrastructure" trope.
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Kropotkin identified mutual aid as a key factor in evolution, not only but especially in humans
Anarchy (as a political philosophy) is about an absence of coercion.
Capitalism is about the supremacy of property rights over all other rights, backed up by the threat of violence against anyone who doesn't play along.
How anyone can think those two concepts are compatible is beyond me.
backed up by the threat of violence against anyone who doesn't play along.
Every political ideology includes that. What good are rules without enforcement? Just because the enforcers are supposed to be random individuals in some ideologies doesn't mean the threat of violence for not playing along is gone.
Anarchism claims to be different. But yeah, that's a big part of why I see anarchism as a thought experiment and not a serious ideology.
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I prefer to call them "19th century robber barons" who yearn for the days of company towns, where they would own you from cradle to grave.
They aren't robber barons.
They're the simpering toady to the robber baron.
The robber baron loves the government, he buys as many politicians as he can.
I love watching them try to explain why it wouldn't just become neo-fuedalism lmao
Cause they imagine themselves as the Lord and not the Peasants that they currently are in reality.
To be fair, some of these fucks are the Peter Thiels of the world that are part of the aristocracy.
But in a world without the state to enforce their bullshit they would fall quickly to violent people like back in the old days of feudalism.
Peter Theil needs to be hurt in a way money can't fix. The only way he will start thinking about others is to need them.
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The thing is that’s what they want. They all want to be feudal lords.
Edgelords
I misread it as arachnid capitalism, and I was trying to figure out which spiders were apparently pro-capitalism lmao
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Is there anything worse than anarchocapitalism?
Fascism has done far more harm to the world. Barely any half-serious anarcho-capitalist has had a hand into influencing much practical policy. Even Milei is backing down from some of his campaign proposals, and he's just gotten elected.
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Yes, exactly that. Ancaps live in a right-wing fantasy world, like the rest of the right.
*volcels
Their shitty behavior is what keeps them from getting laid. That makes them volcels.
Aka Pimping your population out to U.S. companies
What about the roads, who will pay for the roads?
Yesterday I saw a person say that they should all be privatized. Which is so insane I walked away and talked to someone else. Like I’m not going to convince a guy at a bar that his extremist ideology sounds like it wants to create just a godsawful way to live or that our country has tried the whole “minarchism” thing and it was a fucking disaster that led to us creating regulations, roads, etc.
Basically a bunch of toll roads where you pay to use them, right? But paying every time you use the road will get expensive quick, so road companies will offer subscriptions so you can save money if you frequently use their roads. Some companies will bundle subscriptions from many road companies together so you'll only pay for one subscription instead of dozens. They might even offer discount if you use yearly subscription. Viola! Now you have road tax except paid to private companies.
Yeah but to some people that sounds good. It confuses and frustrates me, like yeah I don’t like the government, but I also acknowledge that publicly run companies tend to be screwed over by legislators not by lack of profit motive. Say what you will about Amtrak, but if you’ve ever rode a train in the northeast corridor you understand that it’s a pretty good deal. And it encourages a more pro-social habit.
We’re facing catastrophes both ecological and social due to failure to govern. We could be doing fine, but we keep choosing as a country that instead of regulating and taxing and investing in things we want to make taxes into a dirty word, kneel at the feet of our corporate overlords. If we want our country to be worth living in we need to invest in it for real
My in-laws live on a private road. They're the fourth lot down from the main road (for the uninitiated, if your property would block access to another property, then there exists an access easement across your property, and you must allow people - principally the owners - to traverse your property so they can get to theirs). Everyone is responsible for (but not obligated to) maintaining the stretch of road in front of their houses. The first couple houses are owned by folks with a good chunk of change and the road is as nice as it gets. The third house down has never done a thing to their stretch of road and it's a piece of shit for that little bit. You're cranking the steering wheel from lock to lock to lock again to avoid holes 6 inches deep. Their house is in a sorry state so there's not a chance in the world they have the money to fix the road up. My in-laws throw some gravel in the holes from time to time to make things a little easier on themselves.
The municipality can't/won't do a thing. They don't own the road and it's not like the neighbors are blocking people in or out. The road is only nigh (not completely) impassable.
Someone I know is a libertarian and when I asked how stuff like road maintenance would work on his ideal society, and he was like, "well everyone would pitch in to pay a company to do it." Ok, so what if someone refuses, are there any mechanisms to penalize them? And who chooses the company and signs the contract and schedules the work? You guys gonna vote for people to do those things? Congrats, you just created government. He also had no real response to what happens if one neighborhood is full of good people willing to pitch in, and the next one says fuck it, we're not doing any of that, so the roads are great for a mile and are undrivable the next mile.
So yeah, sounds a lot like what your parents are dealing with. Paradise!
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We have the worst aspect of anarchism, but wait there's more, we also have capitalism!
Man, I am so glad "anarchocapitalist" is starting to stick. I can't believe they got away with the other word for as long as they did.
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Ah yes, I have insulted my opponent in the genital area, therefore his arguments are invalid.
Nah their arguments are invalid because they aren't based in logic or economic theory.
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Isn't that the guy who dated Alanis Morrisette when she was 15 and he was thirty something? Don't pretend he isn't a fucking loser too.
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Great book on Modern Economics Ive been reading, cant recommend it enough!
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