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If God can exist without a creator, why not everything else?

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[–] LEDZeppelin 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boomers and their imaginary arguments

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you ever see a car assemble itself during a tornado? CAN A DOG PRODUCE A NON-DOG?!? Pinecones don’t make elephants!!

[–] jordanlund 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I really, really want to send this as a reply to the person who posted this, but she used to work with me and she’s still friends with a bunch of people there. It’s not worth the workplace awkwardness.

[–] themeatbridge 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's particularly frustrating that the unreasonable people get to set the level of discourse simply by lacking in self-awareness or tact.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Truth. Which is why I’m working to be as unreasonable as they are, but in the right direction

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m not saying you should, but if she gets offended by that then it’s her own problem.

She made a snarky post, you left an equally snarky response. If she can’t handle rational responses, then don’t post irrational claims.

But idk… Maybe she’s a snowflake

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Isn't "not handling rational responses to irrational claims" the basis of religion?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In my experience many religious people have a very entitled attitude about this, where they can assert their delusions as reality publicly but anyone who calls out their bullshit is spewing hate speech.

And if they can’t bring down some kind of authority, they’ll work in secret combinations to fuck around with you (the sheer irony)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Goddamn I hate the “we can agree to disagree, so long as my side is the culturally acceptable one that we can advocate for in the office, but yours is HR hate speech” attitude so many religious people have

[–] AceBonobo 1 points 1 year ago

Can you post it anonymously?

[–] platypus_plumba 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't. Don't push your ideology on people even if they do. Be better.

Plus, there is no point in arguing about religion with a religious person, their belief is not rooted in logic and reason, so logic and reason won't change their minds. Just let them be and live your life however you prefer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Nah, everybody knows snowman are only alive when you put the sticks and carrots.

[–] FlyingSquid 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they're saying their god is like a small child with nothing better to do on a snowy day, who will stop caring about you as you melt away into oblivion?

Because I'm not sure that's a very convincing argument in favor of their god.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It seems pretty accurate to the claims, though. Laryngeal nerve comes to mind.

[–] madcaesar 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's one of the dumber arguments religious people make.

You realize what is created by a creator by contrasting it with what you see in nature. You know a watch is created, because nothing like it exists in nature nor can it reproduce on its own.

Humans on the other hand are just like any other of the billions of animals. We're not special.

And further to the point, imagine we were created and designed, what a shitty ass designer created us?? Short lifespan, useless at birth, susceptible to all kinds of diseases, weak unless in a group and our pleasure organs are mixed with our waste disposal organs.

If that's not the shittiest design I've ever seen, I don't know what is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They think all of the billions of other animals were 'intelligently' designed as well. I remember Dawkins or someone had a whole rant on giraffes and the veins in their neck or something like that which makes no sense as an intentional design.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It was the laryngeal nerve. It travels down the neck to the arteries of the heart and back up to the larynx. It's ridiculous if you look at it from a design point of view, but makes perfect sense when viewed through the understanding of evolution.

[–] Sylvartas 1 points 1 year ago

But, hey, they made sure they didn't forget the built-in combat drugs so we're all much better at being nice to each other and shit ^(/s)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s turtles all the way up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let’s goooo Native American creation storiez

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think you're understanding the reference. It comes from Hindu creation mythology. But only out of convenience' sake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Very relatedly, it's also contained in an anecdote Bertrand Russell reportedly experienced.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I like The Discworld interpretation. As Terry Pratchett notes, the Turtle is capable of swimming through the aether of space, hence doesn't need to be on anything.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 year ago

I've heard it attributed to multiple people, going all the way back to Thomas Henry Huxley, so who knows?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was me. Sorry for the inconveniences, I hope you have a great continuation of your day.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Downvoted because existing sucks

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I upvoted you because I know it's the only good thing in your life.