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Poll: Biden’s standing hits new lows amid Israel-Hamas war [Nov 19 2023 | Mark Murray | NBC News] (www.nbcnews.com)
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Hart Research Associates/Public Opinion Strategies Study #230343 -- | page 01 of 23 | November 2023 NBC News Survey

Interviews: 1000 Registered Voters, including 833 respondents interviewed via cellphone. | Date: November 10-14, 2023

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24171452-230343-nbc-november-2023-poll_111923-release-v2

The erosion for Biden is most pronounced among Democrats, a majority of whom believe Israel has gone too far in its military action in Gaza, and among voters ages 18 to 34, with a whopping 70% of them disapproving of Biden’s handling of the war.

But Horwitt cautioned that Biden can bring these disaffected Democrats and younger voters back into the fold. “These are people who have a proven track record in voting for Biden and Democrats,” he said.

Yet what stands out in the new survey is the shift among voters ages 18 to 34. In September, 46% of these voters said they approved of Biden’s job performance.

The NBC News poll — conducted Nov. 10-14 — comes more than a month after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel, which killed more than 1,000 Israelis, and the subsequent war in Gaza, which has killed thousands more Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials.

All of this is shaping a general election that’s still some 350 days away. Biden trails Donald Trump for the first time in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup in the NBC News poll, though the deficit falls well within the survey’s margin of error.

Meanwhile, despite lower approval ratings from members of his own party, Biden gets support from a whopping 77% of national Democratic primary voters in the first NBC News poll to test the party’s 2024 presidential primary.

Looking ahead to the 2024 congressional elections, 47% of registered voters say they prefer a Republican-controlled Congress, versus 45% who want Democrats in charge. Back in September’s poll, voters split 46% Democratic, 45% Republican on this question.

Learned of article per, Rising, The Hill:

Biden Unelectable After Support From Young Dems Craters; Israel Stance Dooming Reelection: Rising [8:45 | Briahna Joy Gray and Robby Soave | 11/20/23 | The Hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4HJCNp3cU

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

His stance on Israel isn't dooming shit. I'm not voting for him in the primary, but if it winds up being him as the frontrunner, I will in the general, because the alternative will be disastrous.

Also, the election is almost a full year away. Remember Afghanistan? Neither does anybody else. The public forgets quickly.

[–] alvvayson 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In general, I am a pretty center-left kind of guy.

But it seems the Center often gets way too smug and secure in their conviction that the Left has nowhere else to go.

But that calculation just doesn't work anymore. If the Center keeps spiting the Left, the Left will eventually just stay home and watch it all burn.

Reality is that the Center needs to Left more urgently than the other way around. The Left already has nothing, so they have nothing left to lose.

[–] pahlimur 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's lazy reasoning by us on the left. Not voting or voting 3rd party is voting for the right, full stop. If you want to move the Overton window fucking show up and vote. Otherwise just sit down and get ready to be fucked by the right.

[–] Acronymesis 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Folks out here replying to you that a vote for Biden doesn’t shift the Overton window left like it isn’t so far extreme to the right that ANY vote left of it – even if CENTER – isn’t significant. All one need do is compare our left and right to the UK’s left and right, and one should conclude that we have to start where the window is for us rather than lofty ideas where people think it should be.

Expecting the window to land squarely in the left without working towards it over time is unrealistic, that is until we push it out of the right’s playing field. Course, people just love letting perfection be the enemy of good.

[–] pahlimur 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yep. They may as well high five a Republican on their way to being self righteous. I used to be a Republican voter and we loved idiots like them. It's part of the reason I'm so adamant about showing up and voting towards the left no matter how shitty it feels.

[–] Acronymesis 2 points 1 year ago

It is absolutely shortsighted self-righteousness, and it’s like, come on bro; you really gonna vote to end democracy because you’re not getting exactly what you want?? Completely abhorrent flex, but OK…

Glad to have you on the side of democracy!! Hopefully someday, will be able to disagree on policy with each other rather than having to vote simply to remain democratic and free. ;)

[–] FuglyDuck -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Voting for Biden doesn’t move the Overton window left, either.

While i agree that not voting for Biden is (half) a vote for trump; the reality is that to move the Overton window left, we need canidates that are left of center.

There’s very few such candidates that are allowed to move to the federal stage.

Also, the only reason we’re in this mess is idiots like you have been chanting the mantra of “blue no matter who”/“lesser of two evils” since long before I’ve been alive. That kind of thinking always leads to a more-conservative shift in politics. (Or now, more fascist.)

The only reason that I will be voting for Biden, is because trump is actively trying to create a fourth reich. You can only entertain that justification for so long, however; and biden’s time is running out.

The DNC needs to field progressive canidates- actual progressives and not just people who are slightly more left of where old school middle right used to be. They don’t because they’d piss off their richest donors; but details.

[–] pahlimur 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This response is so pointless and wrong. It's how you feel about left vs right and not about reality. Biden is firmly and white far to the left of Donald. Good is always better than perfect, especially when pure evil is how you put your vote if you don't show up. It's an entire vote, not half that's not how math works.

[–] FuglyDuck -1 points 1 year ago

the overton window has shifted so far right in the last decade that the old-school republicans would be centrist or pressing a bit into today's left. and that's what I'm trying to tell you. Voting for Biden is not voting for a progressive candidate. it's voting to slow down the shift into fascism. But it doesn't stop that shift. To stop that shift, you need a legitimately progressive candidate, so as to shift the overton window back to where it was (or, you know, maybe further left?)

Biden is firmly and white far to the left of Donald

Yeah. you're right. So is, for example, George W.. Being left of trump doesn't make you a progressive, or even a centrist. Biden is not "Good". he's barely "adequate". so I guess I'm fucked to have a "barely adequate" government for the rest of my life because you're so fucking lazy you can't pull your head out of your ass, while the right constantly erodes our government into a fascist hellhole.

specially when pure evil is how you put your vote if you don’t show up

Did I NOT FUCKING JUST SAY I WOULD BE VOTING FOR BIDEN? Are you able to read? or are you just trolling? fuck me. You 'Blue no matter who types' need to get a new script. I've been hearing that since the first election. It's tiring and it's clearly not working. So go ahead, call me an idiot for seeing something that isn't working, and wanting something different, while humming out all the slogans and mantras from thirty years ago. the fascists approve of your efforts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But it seems the Center often gets way too smug and secure in their conviction that the Left has nowhere else to go.

Lawrence O'Donnell explains how corporate Democrats think.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

“Failed promises, student loans, foreign policy in general,” said Democrat Zico Schell, 23, of San Diego, when asked why he disapproves of Biden’s job performance.

“Jury verdicts in Trump’s trials, unforeseen events both foreign and domestic, and the rigors of a campaign all have a funny way of upending what may be true today,” Horwitt said.

By party, only half of Democratic voters (51%) say they approve of Biden’s handling of the war, compared with majorities of independents (59%) and Republicans (69%) who say they disapprove.

The poll finds a plurality of American voters, 47%, believing that Israel is defending its interests in the war, and that its military actions in Gaza are justified.

Biden trails Donald Trump for the first time in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup in the NBC News poll, though the deficit falls well within the survey’s margin of error.

Additionally, the NBC News poll shows Trump maintaining a significant national lead over his rivals in the Republican contest for president.

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