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9/11 families call out TikTok over Osama bin Laden trend (thehill.com)

submitted 10 months ago by jeffw to c/technology

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

tiktok kids: "this man unal//ved h//mself"

also tiktok kids: here the full text of Osama binladen's letter calling for global jihad uwu

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago

I mean all the unalive stuff is due to tiktok censorship, not any principle of the kids

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[+] [email protected] -21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

calling for global jihad

No it doesnt

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yes huh

[+] [email protected] -20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

No, it calls out lobbyists, and israeli occupation of palestine. No mention of a global jihad

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I haven't read whatever letter you guys are talking about and frankly I don't give a fuck what it says.

Find someone better to quote than fucking Osama bin Laden. Jesus Christ.

[–] jeffw 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

In case anyone wants to read it:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To%20the%20American%20people.pdf

I think that’s the letter in question. It starts of talking about “Jewish control of capital,” which is like antisemitic conspiracy theory 101

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is NOT the letter! I found the exact same page when I searched for it, I don't know where this is from, but it is not Bin Laden's letter.

If you want to find it, search for the page from The Guardian (they have removed the text but the page is still around) and use the Wayback Machine.

[–] iquanyin 0 points 10 months ago

it’s not? who wrote it then? he refers to bombing us…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

that's not it. this is the Bin Laden's letter to america : https://archive.ph/7svAc

[–] iquanyin 2 points 10 months ago

i agree, the antisemitism struck me as well. but the israeli government is far right. that needs to end because it will destroy the jewish people as outside forces never could.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I mean, if people want to waste their time reading the manifesto of a terrorist, they should and least make it interesting and read that of the Unabomber.

[–] jeffw 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not the type to go around posting terrorist manifestos lol. It’s only because this was in the news

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haha, yeah, I didn't get the feeling you were actively promoting it.

I really wonder how this bin Laden stuff started, if it's dishonest actors trying to discredit support for Palestine or if it's just people genuinely being that stupid. Sadly I think both explanations are plausible.

[–] orrk 1 points 10 months ago

I mean, to be fair, Israel needs some propaganda wins after it turned out the "Hamas HQ" was actually just a hospital.

and remember they did a big hubub about how Hamas stores and produces weapons, along with it being one of the big terrorist headquarters.

[–] iquanyin 2 points 10 months ago

terrorism is about action, not views.

[–] Bye 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then you only saw part of it

[–] iquanyin 1 points 10 months ago

i read all of it. not once did he call for anyone to be any religion. he noted how israel has oppressed palestinians, noted similarities between how britain was pro-wealthy against the colonists and our situation now where corporations buy the laws they want, courts side with them, and presidents are just “train conductors” who must drive on the tracks laid down by lobbyists. he mentions unending war and its costs, suggests we have a revolution like that which started out country, says 9/ll was because we sent people out to kill in afghanistan and it was still going on. he notes that tho politicians claimed it was to help afghanistan and for our own security back home, it’s really about oil and its the further bloat bloated fat cats.

a “terrorist” is someone who uses force to try to get their way. their way s and views could be wrong or right or a mix. but there’s nothin whatsoever about a turning anyone muslim.

tl;dr he says our govt is an oligarchy, we should rebel, and he bombed us to get us to go away, and also to stop supporting israel in oppressing palestine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] iquanyin 1 points 10 months ago

he does!

[–] jeffw 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This letter?

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To%20the%20American%20people.pdf

Maybe “global jihad” is not explicitly there, but it calls for “the blood of Christians”

Edit: this may not be the right letter

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

not that one, here is the letter from the guardian : https://archive.ph/7svAc

[–] kromem 2 points 10 months ago

The entire second half of the letter is about how he's demanding that the entire world convert to Islam for him to stop blowing women and children up.

[–] Jackthelad 55 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Being pro-Palestine is so trendy at the moment that some people will unthinkingly parrot any rhetoric that criticises Israel, even if it's horrific anti-semitic remarks like these.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I think a big part of this story is the Streisand effect. A lot of people are talking about the letter itself, whether it should be accessible for academic reasons, the propaganda aspect, why it was effective back then, etc.

I'm sure there are also people supporting it, both kids being edgy and people being awful. The part that's cloudy is how many are doing that, and how many are talking about the situation itself

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

According to some newer reports the TikToks only went viral after a tweet complaining about them went viral.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For anyone who want to read the Bin Laden's letter to america from the guardian : https://archive.ph/7svAc

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

A 9/11 families group called out TikTok on Friday over a letter by Osama bin Laden that has recently gone viral.

“It is appalling to witness younger Americans voicing sympathy for bin Laden’s dangerous and antisemitic worldview 22 years after our nation was horrifically attacked and our loved ones were callously murdered by Islamists who were financially supported by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and at Osama bin Laden’s direction.”

Bin Laden’s 2002 “Letter to America,” which was published nearly a year after the 9/11 attacks, has recently made its rounds online.

Many videos showed support for the al Qaeda leader’s argument and suggested to others that they read the letter in light of the U.S.’s backing of Israel in its war against the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

“Content promoting this letter clearly violates our rules on supporting any form of terrorism,” TikTok Policy posted on X, formerly known as Twitter.

The number of videos praising bin Laden’s argument is not large, TikTok said, despite some reportedly garnering hundreds of thousands of views and likes.

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