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‘All men 16 years and above, raise your hands’: how al-Shifa raid unfolded (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/news

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The end of the article jumped out at me:

The Palestinian health ministry said 40 patients died on Tuesday, after five days without the fuel needed to power generators that fed dialysis machines and other vital medical equipment. The hospital had also run out of clean water, and doctors said they were subsisting on dates to survive as food supplies dwindled to nothing.

Corpses were piled in front of the hospital, with staff too terrified to move between buildings. The UN’s office for humanitarian affairs said staff at al-Shifa, for decades the linchpin of Gaza’s medical system, had begun preparations for a mass grave to entomb 180 bodies in front of the facility, as there was no way for them to leave in order to bury the dead.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

The Israeli army released video showing soldiers carrying boxes labelled “baby food” and “medical supplies”.

The IDF said in a briefing that soldiers found “weapons and other terror infrastructure,” at al-Shifa, and that they had seen “concrete evidence that Hamas terrorists used the Shifa hospital as a terror headquarters,” which they intended to publish later.

Omar Zaqout, who works in the emergency room at al-Shifa, told Al Jazeera that Israeli soldiers had detained and assaulted some men who had taken refuge there. “[They] did not bring any aid or supplies, they only brought terror and death,” he said.

The IDF is a manipulative org that lies through its teeth as often as possible. Publishing pics of supplies being delivered, which one eyewitness says is bullshit, then saying they've found evidence of Hamas occupation but they won't publish that until later.

Fuck the IDF and fuck Netanyahu. They're all lying bastards.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Also, still no tunnels. Just a few easily planted guns.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Guns and grenades in the same room as an MRI machine. Because we all know the very best place to store metal items that can go boom is in a room with a gigantic mega magnet.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well in fairness, with no power the magnet probably isn't all that strong.

[–] Mirshe 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Depending on the type of magnet in the MRI, it could easily be plenty strong. Some use big permanent magnets.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 0 points 7 months ago

Sure maybe, but they brought the munitions in, so its resting state wasn't an issue.

[–] cuibono 4 points 7 months ago

Don't forget the box of dates

[–] SCB 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/16/idf-says-hamas-hiding-evidence-of-use-of-shifa-hospital-as-command-centre

[+] [email protected] -8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That's clearly not inside the hospital? It honestly just looks like the IDF dug into a nearby basement. It definitely doesn't look like a tunnel people were using.

[–] SCB 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What an expert analysis lol

[+] [email protected] -8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well they aren't allowing independent experts to analyze it so its up to us to unpack IDF propaganda.

Use your brain - why didn't they put a camera inside the tunnel to show it off? Why are we forced to look at a pile of dirt around a dark hole and just take their word that this is a Hamas tunnel? Surely it would have been useful to see the secret underground Hamas headquarters!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The BBC agrees with you.

The evidence Israel has produced, so far, I do not believe to be convincing in terms of the kind of rhetoric Israelis were using about the set-up at the hospital, which suggested this was a nerve centre for the Hamas operation.

If there was a nerve centre there - and there has been speculation about that possibility since 2014 - then the Israelis have not yet revealed definitive evidence of its existence to the outside world.

What has been recovered includes some Kalashnikov rifles - these are common in the Middle East - a tunnel entrance, of which there are many in Gaza, some military uniforms and a booby-trapped vehicle.

The discovery of and evidence for a major Hamas headquarters underneath the hospital is of course still possible.

The hospital was, after all, built by the Israelis in the 1970s during its full control of the territory, and it is a large site which will take time to thoroughly search.

It's well known that the Israeli architects who designed Al-Shifa included extensive basements.

[–] ghostdoggtv 7 points 7 months ago

The Nazis couldn't have done it better

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 5 points 7 months ago

one adjustment. The soldiers of the IDF may or may not be terrible people. (Probably a mix). But the propaganda people in the IDF have no morals at all and are truly some of the worst people on the planet. Second only to thier bosses who hired them and pay them to twist the truth and lie professionally.

[–] interceder270 5 points 7 months ago

Yeah, the propaganda war is in full swing.

Don't trust anything that comes out of jpost or timesofisrael.