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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't appear to be anything official, right? not certain how much a coalition publicly agreeing to this translates to actual funding for Ukraine. Would also be nice to see how this funding stacks vs the US, and vs other EU country contributions.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It's officially agreed upon by all coalition members, but the finalizing of 2024's budget where they officially introduce that change is only scheduled for next week.

Also just the original 4 billion € for next year is more than all other countries with the exception of US and UK have spend this whole war...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Bad ass for Germany and Ukraine. hope things go well.thanks for the context

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's just military aid though. In all, the EU has almost spent €85 billion to support Ukrainians.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/attachment/876709/Factsheet_EU_Solidarity_with_Ukraine_EN.pdf.pdf

For comparison, Russia is expected to have tripled their national military budget by 80 to €120 billion per year, or an increase of around 4% GDP. If the EU spends €60 billion /year on aid, that would mean around 0,4% of their GDP.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Aka Russia has a GDP comparable to Italy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


If approved by parliament, where Scholz's parties hold a majority, the boost would lift Germany's defence spending to 2.1% of its gross domestic product target, beyond the 2% pledged by all North Atlantic Treaty Organization members, the source added.

Lawmakers from Scholz's Social Democrats, the Free Democrats and the Green party agreed on the increase in negotiations over the proposed 2024 federal budget ahead of a formal meeting of the budget committee of the Bundestag - or lower house of parliament - on Thursday, Nov. 16, the source said.

A spokesperson for Germany's Ministry of Defence said the Bundestag committee has not finished negotiations and declined to comment further.

Defence minister Boris Pistorius, interviewed by broadcaster ARD, referred to the planned doubling of military aid to Ukraine.

"It is a strong signal to Ukraine that we will not leave them in the lurch," he said, adding the move, if agreed, would mean the annual budget allocation would be enough to last the whole year.

Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper had also said the committee is due to approve the additional 4 billion euros.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ITT: plenty of vatniks sowing doubt with further supporting Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do wish there was some honest reporting from at least one of the sides though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Trolls and vatniks have been telling to the people it's "getting cold" since last year to dissuade more support for Ukraine. Well, a lot more will lose than just heating for homes by tolerating Putin.

[–] nitrogenez 0 points 10 months ago