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‘Nothing is changing’ — Reddit is denying a report from The Washington Post that it might force users to log in to see content if it can’t reach deals with AI companies::Reddit initially denied a report from The Washington Post that it might force users to log in to see content. However, the Post says it may still block search crawlers, and Reddit didn’t deny to The Verge that it may do so.

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[–] killeronthecorner 281 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing is changing says company that keeps changing everything

[–] BaronVonBort 134 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, Reddit lies constantly. About everything. I guarantee they just weren’t ready to announce this yet but they will by the end of the year. It’s not the first time they’ve pulled this routine.

[–] Tygr 199 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If they haven’t reached deals with AI companies by limiting the API, then why haven’t they returned access to third party app developers? They obviously see how far their engagement and quality has dropped.

I won’t use their official app, ever.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago

Even if they return to the old standard, they have shown to be too unreliable and ready for scummy corporate decisions.

[–] OrteilGenou 16 points 1 year ago

I have an account for hockey. Laptop only via Firefox, eat my donkey spez

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's fine for porn tho

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[–] AlmightySnoo 108 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't Steve Huffman praise Elon Musk and say that his handling of Twitter was an example for him? Perfectly natural for him to think it would somehow be a good idea to make account creation mandatory on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The little bug-eyed, recessed-chin pedophile is so out of touch.

[–] xenomor 60 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Narwhal just went behind the paywhal for me to today. So, I guess I’m finally done with Reddit now? I’ve been in there at least 14 years. It’s just wild to me that I lost Twitter and Reddit after so much time.

[–] wreckedcarzz 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still use RedReader for general stuff, and rss feeds of subs for porn, and I'll check the bird once a week for people I follow for the same reason. But for reddit, my few hours a day has become a fraction, and even a decent amount of the people I watch on both platforms are either shifting elsewhere (yay) or just closing up shop (very not yay).

I was ~11 years in for reddit, and like 9 or so with birdy.

[–] deweydecibel 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been using Firefox Nightly with the the old.reddit redirect addon and Ublock. It's not great having to navigate around the desktop site on a mobile screen, but it's better than the app.

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[–] guacupado 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I went with Narwhal for a while too. I've been using Lemmy on browser but still ended up on Reddit on mobile because I don't know if Lemmy has any apps. One day I opened up Narwhal with a message about some date it'd end up being paid and I immediately uninstalled. Reddit isn't at all worth paying for as a user. There's literally nothing I've regretted about not going on Reddit; Lemmy still has plenty of pages of content to mindlessly scroll through.

[–] LooseSeal 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Heaps of reddit app ports are on Lemmy. Not sure about iOS, but on Android there is sync and boost which we're two of the bigger ones.

If Relay came to Lemmy I would happily pay $ to access.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Voyager for Lemmy is essentially Apollo

[–] agent_flounder 6 points 1 year ago

Lemmy has a bunch of good apps.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Reddit, Twitter, Netflix, YouTube all in a short time enshitificated.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Oh Narwhal was still going? Relay went paywal on the 1st.

I've been using the Geddit app on Android to keep an eye on a handful of subs. It loads RSS feeds and shows them sort of like a 3rd-party app of yore. Obviously there's no participation, and it only shows a small subset of comments. But it's good for staying up to date with news and generally weaning myself off the platform.

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[–] Gingerlegs 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ll tell ya one thing that’s changed. I deleted my posts and comments, along with my account last night after being inactive since June. Idiots

[–] lepthesr 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did you use a program to scrub that? I haven't been on since June, but I wouldn't mind twisting the knife a bit.

[–] Gingerlegs 8 points 1 year ago

Redact. I will say, I was on there over 11 years and it took almost 2 hours for it to wipe my comments

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Use ViolentMonkey/GreaseMonkey scripts in Firefox.

It will rewrite your comments with gibberish, and then deletes them automatically. Just open your reddit account comments page, turn on the script, and watch, or walk away.

Completely free.

I still use RedReader on occasion on mobile, and then every few days turn the script on from my PC, and repeat as needed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Check via Google, Reddit is known for recovering deleted comments against user consent.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

people talk about how big AI is but, It'll crash like everything else as enshittification hits. I tried to use Bing AI the other day for the first time in a few months, it didn't even let me do more then a handful of entries before locking me out saying I used too many queries in 24h. How is that supposed to be helpful to a consumer as a valid feature of you lock it down.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yeah, hasn't anyone else noticed that there hasn't been a single profitable product to come out of it? Even copilot is biting the dust already as they try to reduce computing costs. I also haven't heard of a single person actually paying for chatgpt access either...

[–] zecg 6 points 1 year ago

I paid 20 bucks plus VAT last week for a month of access to try the new dalle in chatgpt, it has just dropped.

[–] stockRot 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I work in healthcare tech and can guarantee there are exciting things coming down the pipeline in that domain

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those companies learned their lesson from search engines. They gave it away for free for far too long and with too few strings attached. It became impossible to realistically gate features and charge for them.

But chatbots, on the other hand, just need a little big money razzle dazzle and, boom, now it is AI and people are conditioned to accept any limits thrown at them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Google made a very profitable ad business fromt heir search engine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I get why some limits are necessary, a company doesn't want a Microsoft Tae repeat...but after Chat GPT was made available to the public, the rapid addition of a whole range of guardrails made it nearly immediately unusable.

You ask it about anything which is controversial in the slightest regard and it shuts down, which for me at least, removes any interest in using it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

It would be pure foolishness to trust Reddit and its management.

In the future, they will be seen by all in a somewhat similar light of failure emitted by Twitter

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Dude this would kill the only reason I ever visit this site.

[–] tpihkal 18 points 1 year ago

Reddit: Nothing's changing. Also Reddit: It's changing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

The securest way to know reddit will do something is if they claim they will not do something. Spez is constantly lying.

[–] Erasmus 11 points 1 year ago

DOOOO IT!!!!

[–] trachemys 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too bad builtin reddit search completely sucks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Fuck Huffman

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

If this had been what they did to start with, I'd still be there. I was always logged in

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Washington Post reported Friday that Reddit might cut off Google and force users to log in to Reddit itself to read anything if it can’t reach deals with generative AI companies to pay for its data.

The Washington Post’s report wasn’t just focused on Reddit — it’s about how more than 535 news organizations have opted to block their content from being scraped by companies like OpenAI to help train products such as ChatGPT.

According to the original report, Reddit is in negotiations with AI companies to get them to pay to use its data, and if it couldn’t strike those agreements, it might require logins to see content.

That could have the knock-on effect of preventing Reddit results from showing up in Google searches.

(In my June interview with Reddit CEO Steve Huffman, he said that “we’re in talks” with AI companies about the pricing changes.

X, formerly Twitter, has also implemented new pricing tiers for accessing its API, and X owner Elon Musk blamed data scraping by AI startups as a way to justify the reading limits implemented this summer.


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[–] loki_d20 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That will never happen, it would destroy their search engine results that lead traffic to their site more than what they get from regular users.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lol yeah, sure. Because as we all know, Reddit definitely doesn’t have a well deserved decade+ reputation for half-baked decisions and dealing self-inflicted blows to its own business.

[–] wreckedcarzz 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey guys, we should let the most dedicated and toxic moderators, moderate even more with multiple subs!

Hey guys, let's like, buy an app, and like, ruin it!

Hey guys, let's redesign the site to be less space and data efficient.

Hey guys, let's roll our own video player! Who here knows anything about video players? Anyone?

Hey guys, let's add random coins and gifts and avatars and let's dive into the crypto scene! We can't lose!

Hey guys, let's go public! What could go wrong?

Hey guys, we should shun all our porn communities!

Hey guys, let's force all apps except ours to pay us or gtfo!

[you are here in the timeline]

Hey guys, let's stop showing up in Google results! Who needs search?

Hey guys, let's force logins like X!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They should ask accounts to do phone number verification! It's been working out wonderful for Twitch!

[–] wreckedcarzz 7 points 1 year ago

[a few years after that]

Hey guys, let's fake a data breach and sell all our user's personal information on the dark web!

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