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One OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, one OS to bring them all and in the light bind them. (discuss.tchncs.de)

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[–] [email protected] 170 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Can yall idiots just fact-check for a goddamn second? https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/

Edit: Just type "windows 12 subscription" into your search bar. It's fewer words than any of these comments!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No man dont ruin Linux rabid users from bitching about Windows.

[–] cashews_best_nut 13 points 1 year ago

Someone mentioned Linux!

I use Arch btw.

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[–] bappity 163 points 1 year ago (27 children)

if this is true I might actually stop being lazy and mess with Linux for my personal systems

[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please do.

One of us, one of us!

[–] mypasswordis1234 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

There is no "us" or "them". If Microsoft will maintain its streak of spoiling everything they touch, everyone will switch to Linux sooner or later 😉

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Now, for an actual sane take, unless we do the actual marketing work in order to gather interest from people, no, not even close to everyone will switch to Linux, specially considering Microsoft has literal millions of dollars to spend in marketing and will likely spin this in a way that non-techy people specially will buy in due to not knowing any choice.

This is a PSA begging people to contribute to their favorite distros not (only) with code but with marketing. Social media posts, videos, word of mouth recommendations, advocacy, events, etc. If your distro doesn't have a marketing team, create one, as most projects should already have done two decades ago. If your distro has one (like we do in Fedora), join it. There'll likely be something you can help with.

[–] mypasswordis1234 17 points 1 year ago

Okay, you've got a point 😅

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Arch doesn't need a marketing department. If someone uses Arch they'll tell you.

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[–] MajorHavoc 11 points 1 year ago

That's true. We're just getting the window managers and drivers ready for everyone who will follow us.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/

As it turns out, the rumours discussed by some outlets are based on the “IoT Enterprise Subscription” of Windows 11, not Windows vNext. For those unaware, Windows 24H2 or Windows vNext is what Windows 12 is being called publicly. As you can see in the above screenshots, the “subscription” code strings found in the preview builds are associated with a new Enterprise version of Windows 11 loT and have nothing to do with Windows 12 or future versions of the OS.

I’m not saying to use it or to not switch to linux, but maybe this isn’t that much of a concern.

I’d be more concerned about

the next version of Windows will be heavily integrated with AI and cloud capabilities.

[–] hactar42 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Windows accounts for 12% of their profits, and I'm willing to bet that the consumer versions are a very small part of that. Most businesses are not buying OEM licenses. They are already using a subscription model for M365 which includes Windows licenses or a standard EA or SA agreement.

They learned after the Windows Phone that they don't need to win the client OS battle as long as they can get their other products on the devices. Since then Windows has really focused more on keeping you locked into the Microsoft ecosystem versus keeping locked into Windows itself. Hence why the upgrades have all been free where in the past you would have to repurchase each new edition of Windows.

Of course I could be completely wrong. They have done some bonkers stuff in the past.

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[–] unconsciousvoidling 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven’t found it that difficult. Just take the plunge.

[–] bappity 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not concerned with difficulty just that it'll take a bit of my time

yes I'm lazy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

It's very gradual and fun because it's new. A lot of you being lazy is also just your safety mechanism kicking in so you don't dive into every single urge all the time.

Once you dip your toe, you'll be at it for a long and good time.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm an early adopter of Linux (early as in 96-97) but I also run MacOS and Windows so I'm I tell you this from an unbiased point of view. Linux has never been easier to run. My daily driver is a ThinkPad running Pop!_OS Linux and I never have to think about it. I just installed and everything ran.

I don't game on my daily driver, I use MacOS for music. At this point Windows is relegated to Adobe Creative Suite, GeForce Now, and the occasional game I can't run on Linux or GeForce Now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Truly ungovernable, mad respect.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just start by dual booting one of the "easy" distros and doing stuff that doesn't require Windows. Eventually you'll start spending more and more time on it out of comfort, then one day you may realise that you haven't needed your Windows partition in months, and can skip out on it entirely.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's easy if you know how to manage your anger

[–] bappity 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

oh I'm experienced with anger I assure you. I work with CSS and PHP in my job

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Or not. Swearing at the screen and punching the keyboard always feel cathartic after failling to do something for the nth time.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This was based on a report that was debunked almost immediately, y’all gotta stop reposting this every day.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nooo but it confirms my viewpoint :-(

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Oh that sweet, sweet confirmation bias hit. Nothing like it!

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago

I love paying for spyware!!!

[–] tdawg 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone here thinking it’s the beginning of the great migration :tm:

Sorry guys, people are just going to use cracked versions of windows to play games

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I suspect most people that only use their Windows computer for general stuff like web browsing, e-mail, multi media, office etc., which is probably the majority by far, will actually fall for the subscription scam.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is the moment where Hannah Montana Linux will shine

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

If you’re not running Ubuntu Satanic Edition are you really a devout follower of the dark Lord

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess that's the day I move over to Linux full time? Just installed mint on one of my work machines to play around on anyways....

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The best time to start is now. The second best time to start is now.

Welcome!

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Kudos to Microsoft on keeping to inpirationally show us with every edition it can still get even worse... 😅

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Nah, just PC Mag fearmongering again

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not going to happen for normal users. This is most likely for users that already use some ms subscription, like office.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Exactly, it's going to be Office 365+Windows in a single package kinda deal.

Probably with a mostly functioning Windows left if you stop paying, but no access to specific features or Office.

It's just a way to get people to pay a few bucks a month extra for the Office 365 package, which in the long term culminates to getting full bank plus then some for Windows, instead of a one time flat fee people will then use for as long as they keep the system.

Most people I know use the same system/laptop for 3-4 years, some even as long as 6-8 years if the thing doesn't break down.

The subscription will likely be setup so that you pay what you'd normally pay for a basic Windows Home (100-130ish) within the first 2 years (say $5 a month) and every year you use the same device longer than that, is just extra gravy for Microsoft.

But I doubt they'll drop the simple license. There are to many devices where a subscription wouldn't work and especially in this day and age, connecting the device to the Internet for any length of time is a big nono for the user/company.

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[–] xkforce 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The enshittening continues. Why charge people once when you can charge them repeatedly until they decide enough is enough and leave?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My suspicion is that home installations will still be available at retail or OEM channels.

The subscription likely applies more to enterprise and possibly Windows 365. Enterprise licensing is a mess which might actually be simplified by a subscription pay-what-you-actually-use model.

Also it’s be cool to see windows 365 come to consumers as an alternative to a full PC. Would be able to standardize on home thin-client builds, or possibly add it as a feature to the Xbox Platform.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is really just going to make Apple more sales and cripple the PC gaming market.

Then, Apple will do it and… maybe that will be the year of Linux desktop? 😉

[–] massacre 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Linux Gaming is now a truly viable force thanks to Steam (Proton). The PC Gaming market will be fine without Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I’m looking forward to see more Linux adoption because of this 😃

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

OP is spreading misinformation. Ban his ass.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait. A few years ago, Windows decided they couldn't keep up with warez, so they allowed unactivated Windows for the first time. Now, they are going back to paid model, just to let the piracy shine up again!

In addition, this means, that if I bought a computer with Windows pre-installed, I couldn't operate it? This will render OEM Windows installation useless. So.. year of the Linux Desktop?

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[–] RealFknNito 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Was already looking to jump ship at the file explorers having ads as a "test" but boy howdy, do it Microsoft. This would push me to make the Linux switch outright.

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