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[–] [email protected] 164 points 1 year ago

Some facts about the Gaza Strip:

  • Population: ~2.3 Million
  • Area: 365 km² (141 sq mi)
    • 41 km (25 mi) long, from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide
  • Population density: ~6300/km² 1

Gaza is very densely populated. In Gaza live as many people as in Houston. But Houston has an area of 1658.6 km² (640.4 sq mi). Thus Gaza has nearly five times the population density of Houston. New York City is the only city in the US with a population of more than a million and a higher population density than Gaza. 2 The tallest building in Palestine stands at 76.1 m (255 ft). 3

A little less than half of the population of Gaza is made up of children. 4

There are only three ("legal") ways in and out of Gaza:

  • Rafah Crossing into Egypt in the south
  • Kerem Shalom Crossing into Israel in the south
  • Erez Crossing into Israel in the north

Gaza has a very small port. It can only be used by small fisher boats. 5

Israel built a wall and fences around Gaza. 6

[–] simulacra_simulacrum 40 points 1 year ago (9 children)

There are a few Canadian citizens stuck in Gaza and very much in danger. I’m hoping that some solution can be found to help these people out.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A friend of mine is volunteering for this organization. We're trying to help as IT guys but if you know anyone stranded in Israel or Gaza, or want to aid them indirectly, I thought I'd pass the link.

https://saveourallies.org/

(They've helped in other crisis scenarios as well)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Can you elaborate on the helping as IT guys part?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

apologies for the off topic, but this thread shows as 11 hours old and I only see 7 top level comments. for a major event mega thread I expected much more and I'm wondering if I'm doing Lemmy wrong somehow?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

A number of top level comments are from hexbear and lemmygrad so maybe your instance has those blocked? That will affect how many comments you see.

[–] Serinus 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It's being extremely heavily moderated. (Not just the defederation.) You can gather the political stance by what comments remain.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Why do Palestinians and Israelites hate each other?

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Tl;dr Israel showed up and kicked Palestinians out, Palestinians want their land back. Ensue 80 years of complications

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also Israel has two means of aquiring citizenship. First is having Jewish ancestry. The second and more problematic is that anyone who converts to Judaism can apply in a slower process that grants them citizenship. People who aquire citizenship can then live there and gain govt benefits that subsidize living cost, in other words, govt sanctioned stealing of Palestinian homes/land. Thats why Palestinians say they often hear settlers with Brooklyn accents. People who live in places like NYC with high costs of living are basically given the option to have much cheaper housing if they convert and forget their morals about theft.

So basically Israel recruits citizens from groups of people who have financial incentives to move there and lack a sense of humanity to turn down "free stuff stolen from destitute opressed people" and thus you build a citizenry who is totally comfortable with this Apartheid/Genocidal bullshit.

[–] Pipoca 9 points 1 year ago

There's more than 2 ways to get Israeli citizenship.

Both of those fall under the "right of return" for Jews.

Non-Jews with permanent residency can become citizens after 3 years if they give up their previous citizenship. Meanwhile, Jews are allowed to be dual citizens. For example, some Druze in the Golan Heights became Israeli citizens that way, particularly due to the Syrian Civil War.

Also, in 1952, Israel passed a citizenship law that gave citizenship to anyone who had been a national of the British mandate in 1948, had registered as an Israeli resident in 1949, and hadn't left Israel before claiming citizenship. So about 170k Arabs were granted citizenship, while the ~720k who fled or were expelled during the war were excluded, although they expanded eligibility a bit in 1980 to include Arabs who had returned to Israel after the war.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically it wasn't so much Israel as Europe (and the US) but the Zionists definitely made their mark.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Europe (Britain mostly) and the US pushed the newly formed UN to pass a resolution calling for the creation of Israel in 56% of the territory, but the zionist militias actually took almost 75% of the land while destroying entire villages and murdering the existing population. The West continued to support them after that and have been tacitly approving of them taking even more of the land as the decades have gone by. The West is not blameless, but it was very much Israel that did it.

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[–] Whitebrow 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most normal people don’t. But the political situation of “we were here first” vs. “This is now the land of Israel” causes whatever you see happening nowadays.

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[–] iforgotmyinstance 20 points 1 year ago

Civilian meat grinder.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-airstrikes-israel-1.6998419

So they're airstriking the south after telling everybody in the north to head south.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

UK Tory MP accuses politicians of being complicit in Israeli war crimes

Sorry for the Reddit link but I couldn't find an alternative source.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Archbishop says Israel warned Gaza hospital three days in a row.

In a press conference, Anglican Archbishop in Jerusalem, Hosam Naoum, said the al-Ahli al-Arabi Baptist Hospital in Gaza was warned on Saturday, Sunday and Monday by the Israeli army to evacuate. It was then bombed on Tuesday.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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