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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Why do Palestinians and Israelites hate each other?

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Tl;dr Israel showed up and kicked Palestinians out, Palestinians want their land back. Ensue 80 years of complications

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also Israel has two means of aquiring citizenship. First is having Jewish ancestry. The second and more problematic is that anyone who converts to Judaism can apply in a slower process that grants them citizenship. People who aquire citizenship can then live there and gain govt benefits that subsidize living cost, in other words, govt sanctioned stealing of Palestinian homes/land. Thats why Palestinians say they often hear settlers with Brooklyn accents. People who live in places like NYC with high costs of living are basically given the option to have much cheaper housing if they convert and forget their morals about theft.

So basically Israel recruits citizens from groups of people who have financial incentives to move there and lack a sense of humanity to turn down "free stuff stolen from destitute opressed people" and thus you build a citizenry who is totally comfortable with this Apartheid/Genocidal bullshit.

[–] Pipoca 9 points 1 year ago

There's more than 2 ways to get Israeli citizenship.

Both of those fall under the "right of return" for Jews.

Non-Jews with permanent residency can become citizens after 3 years if they give up their previous citizenship. Meanwhile, Jews are allowed to be dual citizens. For example, some Druze in the Golan Heights became Israeli citizens that way, particularly due to the Syrian Civil War.

Also, in 1952, Israel passed a citizenship law that gave citizenship to anyone who had been a national of the British mandate in 1948, had registered as an Israeli resident in 1949, and hadn't left Israel before claiming citizenship. So about 170k Arabs were granted citizenship, while the ~720k who fled or were expelled during the war were excluded, although they expanded eligibility a bit in 1980 to include Arabs who had returned to Israel after the war.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically it wasn't so much Israel as Europe (and the US) but the Zionists definitely made their mark.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Europe (Britain mostly) and the US pushed the newly formed UN to pass a resolution calling for the creation of Israel in 56% of the territory, but the zionist militias actually took almost 75% of the land while destroying entire villages and murdering the existing population. The West continued to support them after that and have been tacitly approving of them taking even more of the land as the decades have gone by. The West is not blameless, but it was very much Israel that did it.

[–] Whitebrow 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most normal people don’t. But the political situation of “we were here first” vs. “This is now the land of Israel” causes whatever you see happening nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Usually it's oil. But this time it's airable land and water.

[–] SheeEttin 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's an option. An outpost in the Middle East that serves as a vanguard to easily start proxy wars with the oil countries. Then deploy boots on the ground while hiding behind plausible deniability. "We just supported our allies."

It's like War on Terror, an excuse for the corporations to get more dollaroos. The problem is not that they are running out, the problem is that others still have some.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm, why would Palestinians hate European settlers that stole their land via the imperial edict of Britain? 🙄

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"European settlers" in the sense that they hadn't been in Israel since the Romans kicked them out in '65 for causing too much trouble with all their messiahs and religious zealotry.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

2000 years!

They hadn't ever been in Israel, they were born and raised in Europe by parents that were born and raised in Europe by grandparents that were born and raise in Europe etc. etc. They were Europeans, complete with white skin and European culture and European language.

This wasn't refugees returning to their home. It was settlers invading nonwhite people's land and stealing it for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A third of Israelis are (family of) refugees/emigrants from the middle-east or north Africa.

It's not a 'white european' country, which you'd know just looking at them.

Imposing simplistic American notions of race on a complicated conflict is stupid and embarrassing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, now. That's because they imported Jews from everywhere they could to become Israeli. It started as a European settler project.

But if you look at the positions of power, the government and businesses and celebrities, you'll see mostly white faces. Israel definitely has a white supremacist bent to it - you don't think an Ethiopian Jew will ever be the prime minister do you?

America's white majority is going to disappear too, but you don't think that will actually end American white supremacy right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of interest, would you describe Romani people (pejorative 'gypsy') as being white?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they were given their own settler colony and started being treated as an equal by all the other white countries? Yes.

I wouldn't consider a European Jew before the formation of Israel to be white, but they're sure as fuck white now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

If someone of white European heritage burns down a synagogue frequented by what you consider people of white European heritage, would you still consider that racist given they're the same race? Or would you consider that less racist than someone burning down a church frequented by black people?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, if we stretch this logic even further down, we all get to claim our ancestral land in Africa from 200 millennia ago.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Netherlands had better watch out... my ancestors came from there about 300 years ago, and that automatically gives me the right to rape, torture and murder my way through Antwerp!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anrwerp is Belgium, though ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pshhh... there's a difference?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They speak more elegant... or French

[–] Mrkawfee -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Zionist colonisers from Europe forced Palestinians from their land 75 year ago and have continued to inflict death and misery on those that remain.

[–] Pipoca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It goes back a bit further than that, right?

The Jaffa riots, for example, were back in 1921. Palestinians rioted and killed about 50 Jews, and British police killed about 50 Palestinians while trying to restore order.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jews started buying land and moving to Palestine in the late 1800s.

[–] FunkyButter 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean the world finally allowed the Jewish people to establish a country in their ancestral homeland (which has maintained a Jewish presence in that land for the last 4000 years) and the Arab world continually rejects a partition plan that would allow 2 states for 2 people, instead resorting to terrorism and a repeated call for the extermination of the Jewish people, resulting in Israel having to do what it must to protect its interests and the interests of the Jewish people everywhere.

Let’s not forget - the people referring to themselves as Palestinians could have had a state any number of times in the last century, but it’s not really about that, it’s about killing Jews. If a state is what they wanted, they could have had it by now:

San Remo conference decisions, 1920 League of Nations decisions, 1922 Peel Commission proposal, 1937 UN General Assembly proposal, 1947 Israel’s stretched out hand for peace, 1948 Israel’s offer of fixed official borders, 1949 Israel’s stretched out hand for peace, 1967 Begin/Saadat peace proposal, 1978 Rabin’s contour-for-peace, 1995 Barak/Clinton peace offer, 2000 Sharon’s peace gesture, 2005 Olmert/Bush peace offer, 2008 Netanyahu’s invitation for peace, talks, 2009 Obama/Kerry contour-for peace, 2014

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh look... a genocide apologist has shown up.

You mean the world finally allowed the Jewish

What do you mean, "the world," apologist? Antisemitism is purely a western invention - don't blame the entire world for that which white people did.

Also, don't pretend that Zionism is (somehow) a Jewish idea - the idea originated in Christian countries that wanted to dump Jewish people in Palestine due to... drumroll, please... the west's antisemitism.

Do tell, Clyde... which part of the world's murderous antisemitism is the root cause of the idea of a modern-day Israel even making sense to many Jewish people, eh?

Stop pretending that Christian Zionism doesn't predate Jewish Zionism - that cat is out of the bag, Clyde.

Israel’s stretched out hand for peace

Oh, look... the genocide apologist is pretending the side that has been engaging in genocide somehow isn't and that it's the people experiencing genocide that is the cause of the fucking genocide.